Hollywood and its strange/inconsistent standards. Yep, Gunn is paying for his previous behaviour. Roseanne too. Yet mention of RDJ and all is forgiven, in fact Hollywood is paying him
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Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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Refuge apparently thinks that being a recovering addict and making jokes about pedophilia, rape or saying horribly racist things are crimes of similar gravity.
It's true, they're obviously not.
One of those gets one arrested and lead to one being put in prison.
And there's the rub, I think. There are people out there who would say that what Gunn did was simply very bad taste in humor, while what Downey did was breaking the law. Repeatedy. With illegal drugs. He was forgiven.
Other would say, that what Gunn did was insanely hurtfull to a huge number of people, including material on his jokes that in a way trivializes victims of rape and pedophiles, while what Downey did was hurtfull to him, and his closest loved ones and nothing more.
It's a point of view situation. I'm not gonna say what point of view I have, because let's face it, when you state an opinion on this forum, it's gonna get hammered down by those who feel differently. IMO, best thing to do, is just stay the f*** out.
EDITED TO SAY: M'rk Son Of Mogh and Jinn basicly proove this, by showing the two sides of this in their responces.
Or they could say that Downey's career was nearly destroyed by his own issues and he only got back to this point over a long period of time and that Gunn's career will rebound in time, too.
In fairness, other people besides family and loved ones have gotten dragged into RDJ's criminal misadventures, namely his neighbors. At least one poster recently raised concern about that (while getting some of the facts wrong). But to the best of my knowledge, no one's been harmed by anything RDJ's done, besides himself, and the neighbors involved (at least one of them) stated that RDJ did not seem the least bit threatening [http://articles.latimes.com/1996-07-18/local/me-25480_1_actor-troubled-downey]. He got probation for that and other charges, which he violated and went away for. Further details on the Wiki page for him and elsewhere.
Hollywood and its strange/inconsistent standards. Yep, Gunn is paying for his previous behaviour. Roseanne too. Yet mention of RDJ and all is forgiven, in fact Hollywood is paying him
Nothing inconsistent. He makes them a lot of money. Hollywood—despite what conservatives believe—is about the business of making money.
Besides, he went to jail. He’s paid his debt to society.
You are wrong if you think this just about morality. It’s about protecting a brand and the bottom line. Rosanne and Gunn were a threat to that. RDJ has kept his nose clean since his incarceration. AND made them lots more money than Rosanne ever did.
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Speaking as someone who's been in recovery for nearly ten years, there is absolutely no shame, and no personal or moral failing, in being an alcoholic or an addict. Where one's moral obligation resides is, once the problem has been acknowledged, to do something about it. RDJ did his time in prison, is sober, works a 12-step program and lives a strong family life (and, from what I remember from an interview / profile piece a few years ago, demands so much money for his Marvel paychecks so he can give to charity and finance smaller independent productions). Good for him.
With regards to Gunn ... again, Disney being overly reactionary is about as surprising as the sky being blue or water being wet. But I also maintain that there's something wrong with a person trying to be a provocative edgelord at 40 years old. There's a difference between ... youthful indiscretions, for lack of a better phrase (by which I mean making shitty, awful jokes when you're like 18), and being a middle-aged adult making horrific jokes about horrific topics.
But Gunn will be fine. He'll serve his six months of Hollywood probation and then he'll go do something for Blumhouse or some shit.
With regards to Gunn ... again, Disney being overly reactionary is about as surprising as the sky being blue or water being wet. But I also maintain that there's something wrong with a person trying to be a provocative edgelord at 40 years old. There's a difference between ... youthful indiscretions, for lack of a better phrase (by which I mean making shitty, awful jokes when you're like 18), and being a middle-aged adult making horrific jokes about horrific topics.
But Gunn will be fine. He'll serve his six months of Hollywood probation and then he'll go do something for Blumhouse or some shit.
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All of this. RDJ is a great example of what a life of recovery can look like. He works hard. He is generous with his time and money.
Gunn will also be fine. Blumhouse is a great fit for him actually. Maybe not as probably seen, but he’ll have a greater control over his movies, I bet.
Rosanne? Because she’s convinced she’s the victim, she’ll keep spiraling.
It has nothing to do with maturity. Humor is subjective and it has nothing to do with a person's overall personality. Same with any art. Like I mentioned before it is weird to bring that angle up when we also as adults go and watch comic book movies based on characters written for children. I see it simply that people just have different personalities. Some have a live and let live aproach and others are more conservative and controlling.
Jason
Rosanne actually is kind of a victim. I see her as someone with some severe mental health issue's and isn't getting help but the right wing now likes to trot her out as a symbol of their oppression and liberal hollywood gone amuck. It's why they always love to get hold of old actors that Hollywood as discarded like Scott Baio,Victoria Jackson,Dennis Miller and the girl from "Clueless." They keep them feeling relevant just a little bit longer and get to show them off as people who have seen the light.
Jason
She’s a victim of her own mental health issues, yes. I agree. And others take advantage of that. But, there has to be some responsibility towards her own health, right? However that could me asking to much and being unfair.
Either way, her blaming everyone else for sending the tweets is a part of her problem.
I agree she has to take some responsibility but as someone who also has had to deal with mental health issue's I know how hard it is.. PLus you got the added pressure of the entire world hating you for something I think she might be telling the truth in and thinking that lady was white and combine that with the right wing supporting her bad behavior that has really gone far beyond just that one tweet and it's a bad combination. Actually you can see how she acted in the early part of her career as well and she is someone who has never really known how to handle being a celebrity. She always seems to be making unwise choices. It's like she does something dumb and then doubles down on it.
Jason
True.
James Gunn won't be hurting for work.
Also Disney will abandon Gunn's GotG3 script. I honestly hope Bautista goes through with his threat to drop out.
Also Disney will abandon Gunn's GotG3 script. I honestly hope Bautista goes through with his threat to drop out.
GOtG3 is going to be a trainwreck. Chances are Bautisita or others will bail. Even if the movie is okay it will never be as good as what we think in our head it should have been. It could be the MCU "Justice League" in that it is a passable movie but people are always going to think their is this brilliant edited movie that we never got to see. Only this time it will be this Gunn script that we all know will be leaked to the internet and also what Gunn could have brought to the movie as director.
Jason
Jason
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/maj...-to-hire-jame-gunn-after-disney-firing-136-02
Oddly enough, it seems no one is yet allowed to hire Gunn, since he isn't officially 'disconnected' yet. You'd think something like that could go pretty fast, right? Ok, I get that the financial aspect is probably tricky. But you'd think that everyone wants to get this shit sorted?
Oddly enough, it seems no one is yet allowed to hire Gunn, since he isn't officially 'disconnected' yet. You'd think something like that could go pretty fast, right? Ok, I get that the financial aspect is probably tricky. But you'd think that everyone wants to get this shit sorted?
Bullshit.
What the Hell at you going on about?
This is what careful reading--instead of a rant--reveal:
What was that, again?
..and yes, the actors support of Gunn is disgusting.
Ah yes, they should not have a word said about their supporting a man who found rape and pedophilia the source of humor no matter when it happened. How divorced some must be of reason to think there's anything wrong with calling out those actors on their inexcusable support of Gunn.
Its as bottom feeding as some in this thread who seem to be more concerned that the Marvel assembly line continues than Gunn's sickening behavior/acts, and any defense of Gunn as some allegedly "good person". Some need to take a long look the mirror and consider their values.
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