“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?

[fireproof78]

In the past he's been publicly dismissive of bringing back Picard, so I think there must have been something in the story pitch which captivated him. I could be wrong of course. But again, Stewart doesn't need money, so I don't think the big check would bring him into a project he didn't find compelling from a character standpoint.

Agreed. I think that if its compelling he, as an actor, would find that to be enjoyable. Possibly a distinction without a difference.

Also, Nimoy was reluctant to continue as Spock and yet he did so.

 

[Longinus]

I like Janeway...
Yeah, her writing was sometimes inconsistent. But waaaaay less then for say Archer, or even Sisko some of the times.

Yeah, she was obviously the best character played by the best actor in that show. Not that this is exactly a high bar.

 

[Vger23]

I doubt it, but it's more likely than the people floating that he's going to be in charge of Starfleet Academy or something. There is no way in hell Stewart would come out of retirement for such a comparably small/unimpressive role. He doesn't need the money - he has enough to last the rest of his days. He's looking for a worthy capstone to his TV career.

Besides, the "Irrumodic Syndrome" element, just like everything else in ...All Good Things, was a fiction Q created. It wasn't the "real" future.

 

[No Grave Dug]

Besides, the "Irrumodic Syndrome" element, just like everything else in ...All Good Things, was a fiction Q created. It wasn't the "real" future.

Um, sorry but during the 'present' timefame during the episode (which wasn't a Q fabrication; Dr. Crusher did say Picard had the gene that could lead to the development of "Irrumodic Syndrome" - "...but it doesn't mean you'll develop it..." <--- That said, it depends on how those behind this new show want to proceed; but the p[possibility of Picard developing the genetic disease is laid in TNG canon. .

 

[Tuskin38]

Besides, the "Irrumodic Syndrome" element, just like everything else in ...All Good Things, was a fiction Q created. It wasn't the "real" future.

Q took elements from actual possible futures though, as the uniforms and combadge was used in other episodes with future scenes. I'm talking in universe here, they probably used those designs in other episodes to save money.

Also what the above poster said.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

I'm laughing because with everything Mr. Stewart has said (including why he ultimately agreed to it, when at first he wasn't interested); the show WON'T be TNG 2.0 in the 25th century.

I have a feeling from what I've read it's probably going to be something along the lines of: "Jean Luc Picard: The Irumodic Syndrome years". The pilot will start with him tending grape vines in the Picard family Vineyards.

Well they could have him driving a dune bungry through the Vineyards instead. Or Maybe he gets the forgotten Kirk moment. First episode opens with him Skydiving from space and LaForge and Worf are waiting on the ground to meet him.

Jason

 

[Reece L101]

In the past he's been publicly dismissive of bringing back Picard, so I think there must have been something in the story pitch which captivated him. I could be wrong of course. But again, Stewart doesn't need money, so I don't think the big check would bring him into a project he didn't find compelling from a character standpoint.

Bringing Back Picard may not bring the rest of the cast back from the Next Generation so It would no longer be a TNG show.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Yeah, there is definitely room for valid criticism of Janeway as a character. There were legit examples of where she could have been written better, and she is no Picard or Kirk.

But quite a lot of the usual criticism boils down to people "not liking" her, with her "shrill voice", and her having an "attitude". Which basically boils down to her not being a twenty-something super competent athletic fit model type that plays second fiddle to the main character (hello "Wasp" from "Ant-Man"!), and instead being a mature woman with an opinion in power. The type of character that usually is allowed to exist as a boss for the "real" main character, but not necessary as a focus herself.

I'm very glad Janeway is an essential part of Star Trek for that, and a fan of her. The franchise as a whole would be so much poorer without her. And I think her relationship with Seven is one of the best Trek pairings since Kirk and Spock.

I thought Janeway worked for what she was supposed to be. Kate brought a lot of warmth and charisma to the character, which is lacking in STD's Burnham.

Janeway felt like the crew's mother from day one and that worked well with the family dynamic they were going for. It was a great approach to doing a female captain.

The show also wasn't afraid to make fun of Janeway, and even Mulgrew's mannerisms and performance, which I found endearing and charming.

 

[Vger23]

Um, sorry but during the 'present' timefame during the episode (which wasn't a Q fabrication; Dr. Crusher did say Picard had the gene that could lead to the development of "Irrumodic Syndrome" - "...but it doesn't mean you'll develop it..." <--- That said, it depends on how those behind this new show want to proceed; but the p[possibility of Picard developing the genetic disease is laid in TNG canon. .

Q took elements from actual possible futures though, as the uniforms and combadge was used in other episodes with future scenes. I'm talking in universe here, they probably used those designs in other episodes to save money.

Also what the above poster said.

Yeah I know that folks, but there's nothing that says he WILL come down with it. Just liege nothing that says Tori WIL die and (obviously) the Enterprise D WILL be a lame 3-nacelle kitbash. That's all I'm saying.

 

[eschaton]

Bringing Back Picard may not bring the rest of the cast back from the Next Generation so It would no longer be a TNG show.

I didn't say anything about being a new TNG show. There are no indications of that.

The one thing I will say is there is no way in hell the show is going to be about Picard as head of Starfleet Academy. By its very nature, that sort of show would have to spend at least half of its focus on the cadets, reducing him to a bit player on "his" own show. Maybe, maybe he could start off the show as an instructor, then get pulled back into active duty, but that's about all.

I'm also very doubtful of the idea that Picard would serve as the narrator of a "young Picard" show featuring a new actor which focused on say his adventures on the USS Stargazer. Once again, that reduces his role to near insignificance, making him not a character so much as a plot exposition device.

 

[Rahul]

In the past he's been publicly dismissive of bringing back Picard, so I think there must have been something in the story pitch which captivated him. I could be wrong of course. But again, Stewart doesn't need money, so I don't think the big check would bring him into a project he didn't find compelling from a character standpoint.

So far, it looks like they don't even have a real "story pitch" yet - It was said Kurtzman met with Steward and convinced him to come back, but without actually presenting him a finished script or anything, that's all pretty much in the air. (Thogh then again someone said this was "Kirsten Beyers" idea, so there does seem to exist a vague roadmap).

If I had to guess, it's that Patrick Steward wants to ACT. He likes that. And he has entered pop-culture with two significant roles: Cpt. Picard and Prof. Xavier from X-Men. He hasn't played the former in years. And now the latter has died, (actually already a second time). But really, he's never going to play Prof. X again - this character has found his natural, old aged end.

So it makes sense he returns to his other popular role again, to once again be the star in the limelight in something. Even if it's not his favourite role, I sure think he likes to return to it again, for old times sake, and because nothing else he can do will be as noticeable.

 

[eschaton]

So far, it looks like they don't even have a real "story pitch" yet - It was said Kurtzman met with Steward and convinced him to come back, but without actually presenting him a finished script or anything, that's all pretty much in the air. (Thogh then again someone said this was "Kirsten Beyers" idea, so there does seem to exist a vague roadmap).

If I had to guess, it's that Patrick Steward wants to ACT. He likes that. And he has entered pop-culture with two significant roles: Cpt. Picard and Prof. Xavier from X-Men. He hasn't played the former in years. And now the latter has died, (actually already a second time). But really, he's never going to play Prof. X again - this character has found his natural, old aged end.

So it makes sense he returns to his other popular role again, to once again be the star in the limelight in something. Even if it's not his favourite role, I sure think he likes to return to it again, for old times sake, and because nothing else he can do will be as noticeable.

Stewart has basically admitted that after the first few years of TNG, he more or less stopped acting when he played Picard. That is to say, Picard's personality was so hazily put together by the writers, that there was very little difference between Jean Luc and Patrick. Which is one reason I am guessing he would love it if Picard was taken in a slightly different direction.

 

[ITDUDE]

Q took elements from actual possible futures though, as the uniforms and combadge was used in other episodes with future scenes. I'm talking in universe here, they probably used those designs in other episodes to save money.

Also what the above poster said.

Until or IF we see Galaxy-X class, the "future" in All Good Things is a Q fabrication.

 

[Rahul]

Stewart has basically admitted that after the first few years of TNG, he more or less stopped acting when he played Picard. That is to say, Picard's personality was so hazily put together by the writers, that there was very little difference between Jean Luc and Patrick. Which is one reason I am guessing he would love it if Picard was taken in a slightly different direction.

I don't exactly believe that, because Patrick Steward the actor likes Dune-buggy chases and always wanted to play an action hero, punching aliens and sleeping with green woman. (who can blame him?) Which is why he wanted to do "Star Trek" in the first place. But when they actually did that in the movies, it was a noticeably enough change from his television character it put a lot of people off.

 

[Tuskin38]

Until or IF we see Galaxy-X class, the "future" in All Good Things is a Q fabrication.

Re-read my post.
I said Q might have taken elements from possible futures. I never said it was true the future.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Late to the party but I think it's much more likely any would-be series seires is more akin to Fuller House than the holy grail or guerdon 90s Trekkers seem to think they're due.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Late to the party but I think it's much more likely any would-be series seires is more akin to Fuller House than the holy grail or guerdon 90s Trekkers seem to think they're due.

Do you not think a Picard show might be more popular than DSC? Because Picard?

 

[The Gatekeeper]

Um, sorry but during the 'present' timefame during the episode (which wasn't a Q fabrication; Dr. Crusher did say Picard had the gene that could lead to the development of "Irrumodic Syndrome" - "...but it doesn't mean you'll develop it..." <--- That said, it depends on how those behind this new show want to proceed; but the p[possibility of Picard developing the genetic disease is laid in TNG canon. .

The present part of the episode still got reset at the end, meaning Geordi didn't get his sight back and Nurse Ogawa didn't lose her baby. Maybe there was sufficient changes to the timeline that Picard no longer had the Irumodic Syndrome gene?

 

[Refuge]

I thought Janeway worked for what she was supposed to be. Kate brought a lot of warmth and charisma to the character, which is lacking in STD's Burnham.

Janeway felt like the crew's mother from day one and that worked well with the family dynamic they were going for. It was a great approach to doing a female captain.

The show also wasn't afraid to make fun of Janeway, and even Mulgrew's mannerisms and performance, which I found endearing and charming.

I agree with every word. She was the right Captain for a ship that needed to be family and rely on each other. Not sure in this instance a Picard personality would have be appropriate. His strengths lie elsewhere.

 

[gblews]

The Disney Streaming Service, especially after acquiring Fox, has the potential to destroy CBS All Access next year. Consumers having to pay for multiple networks won't work.

Disney's streaming service will be stiff competition for all the other streaming services, not just CBSAA. I currently pay for Hulu, Neflix, and CBSAA. I will likely give up one of them if I decide to keep Disney. I can tell you it won't be CBSAA ONLY because I like DSC and Star Trek too much.

As for the part of your post I bolded, I don't think you meant to say what that sentence actually says.

This is why CBS is specifically targeting the Star Trek fanbase to keep the money flowing. This is indeed a calculated business move.

Sounds like what you're saying here is that CBS is looking to supply CBSAA with the type of content that will cause viewers to pay for the service on a monthly basis. I think you may very well have figured out EXACTLY what their scheme is.