No love for Star Trek V?
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... where's George Burns & Gracie Allen when you need them?
I loved this movie when it first came out, however it sank to the bottom of the list fairly quickly. The TNG films (three of them anyway) gave this one "partial" buoyancy to float back up -- but not very far. It's still weakest of the First Six in my opinion. Not just because it doesn't know what it's about (and spends much of its runtime trying to distract viewers from its main premise), but also because it features some of the most embarrassingly trite (or on-the-nose) spoken dialogue of any ST film.
Each "phase" of ST's feature film franchise has ONE picture that almost-perfectly embodies what the TV series was, yet in an uncomplimentary fashion. For example it's not a compliment to say that Insurrection was that movie where TNG is concerned.
The Final Frontier is cursed with being that movie for the original cast.
Two remaining guesses which is that movie for the current cast (it's not Into Darkness).
What do I love most about The Final Frontier? Jerry Goldsmith's score, hands down. In fact if I were directing a ST movie I'd have my composer incorporate Goldsmith's "vinyl player windup" leitmotif (the one that gathers into his recycled TMP theme) just to set audiences into a panic for my having just acknowledged one of ST's famously weaker installments.
Each "phase" of ST's feature film franchise has ONE picture that almost-perfectly embodies what the TV series was, yet in an uncomplimentary fashion. For example it's not a compliment to say that Insurrection was that movie where TNG is concerned.
The Final Frontier is cursed with being that movie for the original cast.
Two remaining guesses which is that movie for the current cast (it's not Into Darkness).
What do I love most about The Final Frontier? Jerry Goldsmith's score, hands down. In fact if I were directing a ST movie I'd have my composer incorporate Goldsmith's "vinyl player windup" leitmotif (the one that gathers into his recycled TMP theme) just to set audiences into a panic for my having just acknowledged one of ST's famously weaker installments.
Goldsmith was one of the best cinema composers in film history, but his Trek stuff, especially his TNG run, felt lazy and repetitive.
Are you kidding?? Have you ever heard the soundtrack for Star Trek The Motion Picture???
Yes. I wasn't referring to Star Trek The Motion Picture. More to my point Star Trek The Next Generation films.
I can see that, actually. Given Rick Berman's attitude about music for the various TV series. Ron Jones got fired during TNG's 4th season because he couldn't dial it back. It's not hard to imagine Goldsmith might have found working on the features under Berman equally constraining. And when they couldn't get him for Generations they happily fell back on Dennis McCarthy (at least it would still sound recognizably TNG, right? Even if not really in a good way).
TFF is my favorite TOS movie. I like it more than TWOK. Even if I’m going to burn at the stake for it.
You've got to love this film despite all the criticism. I can't get over the part where Kirk rides into Paradise City, dismounts from the horse, and starts fighting. Hilarious! Especially since I just watched WOLF IN THE FOLD of TOS. It's interesting to compare/contrast the fighting styles of the youthful Kirk and the aged Kirk!
There are as many as 10 that liked Nemesis? Surely not!
What? What does that even mean?
I don't know that I would use the word gorgeous. Though it does have an intense, protracted battle scene and you get to see the Enterprise use all it's weapons instead of just the forward phasers and torpedos. And I really liked the outside design of the Scimitar (interiors not so much, but it's exterior design was well done IMO).
And the collision scene was pretty intense and I thought well done.
There are as many as 10 that liked Nemesis? Surely not!
I counted 4 or 5 people here that liked it. If I looked hard enough I probably could find a few more people.
I'm one...
I've been watching it recently, along with Insurrection (still can't really decide which picture I like less). Nemesis is better framed than the other TNG movies save for possibly Generations (which I think has the best cinematography overall). And it has a nice production design for its limited budget if you take away the Reman architecture, which is about the ugliest thing I've seen on ST. The special effects are still a little too slick and videogame-like, though way better than the TV-quality work from Insurrection (For instance the transporter effect is somehow night and day between the two movies, even though it's virtually unchanged).
If only the movie weren't so dark and green. And tone-deaf. And boring.
"Romulan ALE. Should be ILLEGAL."
"It. IS."
I've been watching it recently, along with Insurrection (still can't really decide which picture I like less). Nemesis is better framed than the other TNG movies save for possibly Generations (which I think has the best cinematography overall). And it has a nice production design for its limited budget if you take away the Reman architecture, which is about the ugliest thing I've seen on ST. The special effects are still a little too slick and videogame-like, though way better than the TV-quality work from Insurrection (For instance the transporter effect is somehow night and day between the two movies, even though it's virtually unchanged).
If only the movie weren't so dark and green. And tone-deaf. And boring.
"Romulan ALE. Should be ILLEGAL."
"It. IS."
I always thought First Contact and Nemesis were the two TNG movies that felt like 'movies' to me. Neither felt like they could have been episodes of the show like Generations and Insurrection. I liked the ship design of the Scimitar though I agree the interiors were drab. The lab with the window in the background was ok, but the rest was blah. In some ways there were things about the Narada that reminded me of the Scimitar when it is preparing to launch the thalaron device. They both had a lot of sharp angles and points. It also has a passing similarity to the Romulan drone ship in Enterprise.
I liked all 13 films to varying degrees, so I don't hate any of them. But Insurrection was a miss IMO. It's hard to believe in the middle of the Dominion War that the Enterprise is not on the front lines. I think it was a missed opportunity. I always thought they could have done a movie that takes place in the war but that didn't require moviegoers to have a familiarity with DS9. But other than a few token mentions of it, it's hardly brought up at all. Picard sort of alludes to it in his final speech (though that can be interpreted to mean Starfleet, the Dominion or maybe a bit of both).
But re: cinematography I actually always thought Insurrection had some of the best cinematography of all the Star Trek films. There was some really beautiful photographic work I thought done on the Ba'ku world.
I believe the Dominion war was just wrapping up or just wrapped up, timeline wise, for insurrection.
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