Depends on if the actors refuse to be in the movie. I can see them recasting a character or two but if a majority of them do not come back.
Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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That would be the biggest "win" ever for Twitter trolls. Apparently they now have control over billion dollar franchises?
That's a fair assessment. I'm still torn on the whole thing, but I understand Disney's decision to fire him and I would also be be surprised if they rehired him. I'm just trying to look at this whole thing from all possible angles, including possible resolutions however they might play out.
I never defended it or said it wasn't bad, all I meant was that it was less bad than actually doing the things. On a scale of 1-10 I'd say joking about pedophilia and rape are about a 7, while actually committing the acts is as high a 10 as you can possibly get.But we're in a climate where cultural attitudes are seen as a battleground. Speech = influence and that influence leads to action. And this goes for both ends of the spectrum. You know in Europe there are radical clerics that openly sympathize and preach terrorism. Because of free speech laws it's very difficult to tamp down on this incitement to violence.
Rightly or wrongly there's a lot of attention spent deconstructing media for messages that some feel promulgate oppression/prejudice of some kind.
Most would agree, thanks to the passage of time, that Pickaninny humor is a form of racism:
It was a way for a group of people to express their hatred in a way that wasn't actionable.
Gunn's tweets don't necessarily endorse racism/pedophilia, but they reflect a value-system where it's more important to get a rise out of people than to respect their sensibilities. Gunn didn't care back then how someone who had been sexually molested might feel having his or her experience exploited this way. All he cared about was getting a rise out of people for being edgy.
It may not rise to the level of a formal crime but it's repugnant in its own way.
Years ago, he has since apologized and stopped.
It’s assuming to me that no one saw this coming, yet everyone is now an expert on what Disney will do next.
What happens now - no clue!
But there is nothing that prevents Disney from reversing their decision at all. Boycotts from Rightwing nuts? Please! Reality Check - If the cast refuse to make the movie without him, they will lose LOTS more money from no movie at all. This is a business and that is probably what the final decision will be based on - MONEY.
ABC, Disney always knew there was life for Roseanne the show without Roseanne the person. By focusing on the rest of the cast, But that is not the case here at all. The cast is fully supporting James Gunn.
What happens now - no clue!
But there is nothing that prevents Disney from reversing their decision at all. Boycotts from Rightwing nuts? Please! Reality Check - If the cast refuse to make the movie without him, they will lose LOTS more money from no movie at all. This is a business and that is probably what the final decision will be based on - MONEY.
ABC, Disney always knew there was life for Roseanne the show without Roseanne the person. By focusing on the rest of the cast, But that is not the case here at all. The cast is fully supporting James Gunn.
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That one has a sense of humor you don't personally agree with doesn't make them inhuman.
IDIC.
There are two different narratives circulating. One is that only certain blog posts were previously generally known and apologized for, the other is that all the posts, Tweets, etc. in question were known years ago and apologized for.
Any definitive clarification of which/what narrative is correct would be appreciated!
I would be shocked if they refused. Their lawyers would remind them of the contracts they signed. And now that Disney will own FOX as well, that would be one less place the actors could get hired.
They aren’t going to walk away from the movie.
I would be quite surprised if their lawyers and agents didn't all declare the joint statement to be acceptable before it was signed and released. Part of the discussion that took place over the ten days, I'd imagine.
They already won when Gunn was fired and this was more than just internet trolls. Internet Trolls are people trying to get Kathleen Kennedy fired because they don't like the movie or SJW's or even more brutal like the personal attacks on the actress that left Twitter. What happened with Gunn was organized dirty politics masked in fake outrage. Also Disney should think twice in being afraid of any alt-right boycott's. If they do that then every movie they will do will be under attack because it will prove they will buckle under threats. Of course it might be to late anyways because just firing Gunn might bite them in the ass down the line anyways, such as no 3rd movie. That's just for starters. Wait until though they see complaints about female superhero's or maybe they don't see enough white guy hero's. I think they opened Pandora's Box IMO. Maybe also the beginning of the end of the MCU. Anybody think Captain Marvel might not be under attack after the actress said that stuff about white movie critics?
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The rape joke we're slamming him for, I googled and can't confirm, but I'm sure I've heard it before. Louis CK maybe?
There's something weird about some Hollywood 'stars' though. There are still those who support Polanski. I don't quite get how they can say they don't support his mentality (illustrated by his 'jokes') and yet they support him. It does come across as siding with one of their own and be damned the message.
Settle down
Some can separate the work, from the bad people who make the work.
Almost everyone we like from the past, is googlablly evil.
Again, it says much about Gunn that he believed there was humor in rape and pedophilia.
I've siad it before--contracts. none of them have so much pull that they can force a walk-out without Disney's lawyers reminding them one--they have a contract, so do not assume they can just break that, and two, they don't make the MCU--the MCU is made by the Mouse House/Marvel.
I understand. It's just sometimes other agenda and point scoring muddies the water. He is certainly not nearly as heinous as others but in age of accountability of what is said in social media consistency can be compromised.
Not just "siding with their own" but possibly believing rape and pedophile is not so big a deal, that its completely off-limits as the source of "humor". The level of defense appear to go beyond free speech matters.
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