Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors

[Redfern]

Anyone going to be at STLV?

Haven't braved a convention since 2006. I wish I knew a friend who was going as I'd pay that person a "finder's fee" to get that M'Ress & Arex Hallmark ornament set. That'll probably the closest thing to any IP owner "sanctioned" M'Ress merchandise that may ever exist. The San Diego Comic Con, the Las Vegas convention and the New York gathering will be the only places one can get it. ATM, Hallmark claims it won't even sell them through its on-line store.

 

[Donny]

Haven't braved a convention since 2006. I wish I knew a friend who was going as I'd pay that person a "finder's fee" to get that M'Ress & Arex Hallmark ornament set. That'll probably the closest thing to any IP owner "sanctioned" M'Ress merchandise that may ever exist. The San Diego Comic Con, the Las Vegas convention and the New York gathering will be the only places one can get it. ATM, Hallmark claims it won't even sell them through its on-line store.

I’ll keep an eye out for it! If I find it I’ll pick it up and we can work out how to get it to ya!

 

[Redfern]

Wait, what?! Are you serious?! It's not exactly cheap. The pack costs 40 bucks. I won't blame you should you request the money "up front".

 

[Donny]

Wait, what?! Are you serious?! It's not exactly cheap. The pack costs 40 bucks. I won't blame you should you request the money "up front".

Totally serious. And 40 bucks isn’t bad! I got ya, fam! I’ll look out for it and PM ya if I find it. I’ll probably get one for myself too

 

[Norsehound]

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with @Tallguy on this one. I love Doug and the work he's done for Trek, but I've never been a big fan of this schematic. And I know I haven't seen hardly any of Enterprise, and I respect it as a part of Trek lore, but I'm not going to give it more credit than what we saw on-screen in TOS. My flight deck/hangar deck/shuttlebay or whatever you want to call it is going to closely reflect the filming miniature as much as possible, and this includes a tapered, large flight deck. Thanks, however, for pointing out this schematic! I enjoy the discussions on these topics!

I'm not a fan of that schematic either, but for different reasons. I'm a firm believer that Main Engineering is on Deck 5-6 in the saucer than in the secondary hull, since you'd need to access it in the event of saucer separation.

Also makes more sense in Day of the Dove if the top half of the saucer was locked off over basically everything below what, deck 19? I chalk up (*)'s departure out of the secondary hull as a sfx issue, rather than indicating the canonical location of the station in relation to the rest of the ship.

 

[Mytran]

I'm a firm believer that there are multiple Engine Rooms around the ship, each serving different primary functions but capable of taking on the duties of their fellows.

DOTD is problematic in many ways as a guide to the layout of the ship, since 400 crewmembers are apparently trapped in the "lower decks" by the Pin-Wheel Entity simply closing off a few bulkheads, despite leaving the largest areas of the saucer available for our heroes to adventure in. I tend to interpret the events that the PWE influenced those crew to go to specific outlying areas of the ship and then seal themselves in. The Engine Room in the episode can then be whichever one you wish!

A portion of the Engineering Hull being available also matches the graphic that Klingons view in the episode

 

[Maurice]

I'm a firm believer that the engine room was wherever it was needed for a given episode.

 

[Firebird]

I'm a firm believer that the engine room was wherever it was needed for a given episode.

It's the Enterprise's version of the Room of Requirement.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I guess I always have a problem with "But (cannon source B) contradicts (cannon source A)" when one predates the other. Sure Generations may have made Wrath of Khan move it's dates, but I still say Kirk was 49 in Wrath of Khan and so I celebrated my birthday accordingly.

Agreed. I'm not especially comfortable with TNG and later shows overriding stuff that TOS either implied or stated outright. And authorial intent counts for a lot, IMO. So for me, World War III and the Eugenics Wars were the same thing, just as "Space Seed" stated, McCoy was well into his 40s during TOS, despite what "Encounter at Farpoint" might say, and Kirk was turning 49 in TWOK, just as Nicholas Meyer's script originally stated.

 

[blssdwlf]

From "The Naked Time"
SCOTT: Engineers, man your stations. Engine rooms, report. Cycling station, report. This will be an emergency restart of
engines.

Agreed with you @Mytran that they probably take on duties of other rooms as needed.

I'm a firm believer that there are multiple Engine Rooms around the ship, each serving different primary functions but capable of taking on the duties of their fellows.

 

[aridas sofia]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but for what it’s worth, Matt Jefferies himself acknowledged some of these hangar area issues when he did his Phase II cross section. He portrays it as an angled space, like the hangar model, but scaled to fit the ship. He furthermore dispenses with any notion that the “observation dome” is a manned station by vastly down scaling it. In this “corrected” interpretation, there is no way to get up there.

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[Donny]

I'm a firm believer that the engine room was wherever it was needed for a given episode.

Which is why I’m making two "main" engineering rooms. One for “Warp Engineering” (Season 2/3 layout) in the engineering hull, and one for "Impulse Engineering" (Season 1 layout) in the primary hull. And because it's just gonna be fun to do both

 

[Tallguy]

I've always thought that to be a decent compromise. It obviously still doesn't "match" with the show for lots of real world reasons. But what can you do?

 

[Mytran]

I've always thought that to be a decent compromise. It obviously still doesn't "match" with the show for lots of real world reasons. But what can you do?

Was there any particular scene with the S1 Engine Room that doesn't match if we assume it's in the saucer? It only turned up in a few episodes after all.

 

[GNDN18]

Was there any particular scene with the S1 Engine Room that doesn't match if we assume it's in the saucer? It only turned up in a few episodes after all.

In “The Enemy Within” Kirk surmises his double would be hiding in “the lower levels: the engineering deck.”

Of course, the impulse deck is below the bridge, so….

 

[Mytran]

Kirk works on the Bridge - to him, everything is a lower level!

OTOH, he may be referring to two potential locations:
1) the lower levels (AKA the secondary hull)
2) the engineering deck

Alternatively, this indecisive version of Kirk may be changing his mind half way through a sentence:
"The lower levels...(no wait, that's wrong)...the engineering deck (did Spock notice?)"

 

[Racer_X]

If you go with what The Making of Star Trek had to say back in 1967, there's enough wiggle-room to basically do whatever you want:

Page 171 -

"Propulsion for the primary hull is provided by impulse power. The impulse engine section is located at the bottom rear end of the saucer. Headquarters for the engineering division is also located in this same area, as are main engineering control facilities plus sufficient repair, storage, and other facilities to service the primary section when detached from the star-drive sections of the vessel."

Page 190-191 -

"The cigar-shaped secondary hull is 340 feet long, 112 feet in diameter, and is connected to the saucer by means of a large access pylon. The secondary hull is often referred to as the engineering hull, as much of the facilities and activities conducted in this area are devoted to that department. A number of the deck levels (there are sixteen of them) are also devoted to fuel, supply, main repair centers, water and waste reconversion, and interplanet freight. Minimal crew quarters are located in this hull, used by duty engineers and by the star-drive crew when the saucer section has detached and is operating separately."

 

[Lt. Washburn]

You guys seriously think engineering was located in the ship?

 

[TIN_MAN]

I lean toward the idea that the Engineering Deck (TEW, MW) is in the secondary hull (among lower levels along with the hanger bay etc) but located somewhere within the two uppermost decks, hence its "lower level" (TEW) is the second deck down AKA "B-deck" (CM). The Engineering Section on the other hand, is in the impulse deck (TUC) with its upper level on deck six and lower level on deck seven (consistent with DOTD, TDM).
And as I've recently been reminded in another thread, the dilithium crystals work differently in TOS than in later Trek -being more associated with powering deflectors and phasers and not so much with the engines, so there's no particular reason for the dilithium crystal converter assembly to be in the secondary hull.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Which is why I’m making two "main" engineering rooms. One for “Warp Engineering” (Season 2/3 layout) in the engineering hull, and one for "Impulse Engineering" (Season 1 layout) in the primary hull. And because it's just gonna be fun to do both

I can hardly wait to see that. How large does the engine room has to be according to the scale of the Enterprise? Is it possible both rooms were on the same deck or a deck underneath the other?