Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors

[JonnyQuest037]

But ladders themselves are so much more TOS than the one-man lifts we saw in TMP onward. I could go either way. Hmmm....what to do? what to do?

You know the answer to this one. You've got to go TOS with it. Ladders.

The thing I'm wondering though...how are those suits stored? In TMP, space suits were stored in alcoves or "lockers" and fully erect, as if they were on some sort of mannequin. The helmets, however, must've been stored elsewhere in the alcoves, unseen by the camera.


Should I follow a similar design implementation with the TOS space suits? It would be much easier to model the space suit as if it were on an erect body rather than broken down into individual stowed parts, so it would be great to be able to store it as if it erect as well (like in TMP), albeit with the helmet removed.Or perhaps it would be neat to leave the helmet on, and the suit is stored fully completed and erect.

Storing the suits vertically makes sense to me. I agree with lawman's suggestion that you should have several stacked in a rack, though, to suggest that space is at a premium. Perhaps the TMP Enterprise was pressed into service with less than the full compliment of spacesuits, and those alcoves are emptier than they would be normally.

I'm looking forward to seeing a TOS version of the airlock room, though. I suggested that however many pages back it was. It'll be really interesting to see TOS era versions of rooms we only saw in TMP and beyond.

 

[Donny]

A thought occurred to me while looking at your control booths. Could the ones closest to the hanger doors be TOS version of travel/inspection pods?

I mean, it’s a neat idea but it most certainly wasn’t what MJ envisioned, as this would’ve been called out in his cutaway drawing if that’s what he intended. Besides, I have some ideas for some MJ-inspired auxiliary craft that I plan to model anyway.

 

[Terranimperial]

I thought about doing more techy bits behind the orb and having the housing internally more open, but I wanted to maintain a very Jefferies-style simplicty

This looks amazing!

 

[David cgc]

I agree with lawman's suggestion that you should have several stacked in a rack, though, to suggest that space is at a premium. Perhaps the TMP Enterprise was pressed into service with less than the full compliment of spacesuits, and those alcoves are emptier than they would be normally.

We can't really see the alcoves that clearly from that one angle. There's some sort of open sliding glass door in front, and we can't see the ceiling. Maybe spacesuit storage is on the next deck up, and the undersuits drop down one at a time as needed after they're primed or filled or whatever needs to be done to move them from "stowed" to "ready to use." If the system cycles in new suits fast enough, having four available at any given moment would be plenty, even if you were fitting out more people at once (we don't see into any of the alcoves in the deleted scene of Kirk suiting up, so there's no way to know if there's a missing spot for Spock's suit).

 

[Donny]

What about how they stored the EVA suits on Enterprise?

How were they stored on Enterprise? (Yes, I admit I’ve only watched maybe 4 episodes of the series. And two of those were “In A Mirrror, Darkly” ).

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Is there any kind of real world analogue that could be used as inspiration here? Storage for 1960s US Navy diving suits (is that even a thing??), for instance?

 

[Mytran]

How were they stored on Enterprise? (Yes, I admit I’ve only watched maybe 4 episodes of the series. And two of those were “In A Mirrror, Darkly” ).

Lockers for the suits and open storage boxes for the helmets and boots, from what I can gather

http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=80&page=20

 

[Lt. Washburn]

How were they stored on Enterprise? (Yes, I admit I’ve only watched maybe 4 episodes of the series. And two of those were “In A Mirrror, Darkly” ).

They were hung on a rack with futuristic hangers and the helmets were stored in cubbies.

 

[Lt. Washburn]

Lockers for the suits and open storage boxes for the helmets and boots, from what I can gather

http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=80&page=20

The lockers were for additional storage, the suits were hung in the open.

 

[Bernard Guignard]

Don't forget the hard chest pcs that made up the suit

 

[BK613]

Just a few stray observations....
In the Star Trek [Phase] II cutaway Jefferies rendered the hangar as half cylinder which is the same height, and one presumes width, from fore to aft.

It's worth noting that ENT also had a horizontal, same-height shuttle bay in its MSD of USS Defiant.
from In a Mirror Darkly part 2

 

[blssdwlf]

Are you referring to the flight deck when you say shuttle bay, @BK613? There seems to be some kind of horizontal crawlway above it and if that is horizontal it would make the flight deck/shuttle bay ceiling slightly tapered. Not nearly as tapered as the one depicted in the TOS original FX but it's a different series so their mileage will vary

It's worth noting that ENT also had a horizontal, same-height shuttle bay in its MSD of USS Defiant.
from In a Mirror Darkly part 2

 

[Lt. Washburn]

It's worth noting that ENT also had a horizontal, same-height shuttle bay in its MSD of USS Defiant.
from In a Mirror Darkly part 2

I think that's Drexler's work. Can anyone tell if it was traced over an existing cutaway schematic and embellished, or if it's completely original.?

 

[Jesse1066]

I think that's Drexler's work. Can anyone tell if it was traced over an existing cutaway schematic and embellished, or if it's completely original.?

I believe it's all Drexler- and I've heard on the DSC forum that he scaled it up to 456 meters.

 

[Tallguy]

Yeah. I know it was on the show and everything, but I don't give it much more weight than if one of us had done it. Very cool. Awesome that Drexler and Okuda are superfans. But this really goes back to "What did Jefferies mean?" Right?

I guess I always have a problem with "But (cannon source B) contradicts (cannon source A)" when one predates the other. Sure Generations may have made Wrath of Khan move it's dates, but I still say Kirk was 49 in Wrath of Khan and so I celebrated my birthday accordingly.

(I may be rambling...)

 

[Jesse1066]

Yeah. I know it was on the show and everything, but I don't give it much more weight than if one of us had done it. Very cool. Awesome that Drexler and Okuda are superfans. But this really goes back to "What did Jefferies mean?" Right?

I guess I always have a problem with "But (cannon source B) contradicts (cannon source A)" when one predates the other. Sure Generations may have made Wrath of Khan move it's dates, but I still say Kirk was 49 in Wrath of Khan and so I celebrated my birthday accordingly.

(I may be rambling...)

For the purposes of recreating the Enterprise as seen in TOS, Enterprise shouldn't supersede the original any more than Discovery should.

 

[Maurice]

Tractor beam?

I've never seen that feature on any of Jefferies designs for the original TOS model or even the Star Trek [Phase] II refit, and it's not present in the WNMHGB shots of the ship, but in those shots the dome on top flashes like a running light, which leads me to suspect the green disc with the rods was installed when the model was modified for series production, which also makes me wonder if the cylinder was added to allow light to get from the bulb in the aft of of the model because said green disc made it impossible to get a bulb up in there?

BTW, I poked around and found a pic that basically confirms my suspicion above: you can see the plexi rods sticking down into the cylinder at the top of the doors, which indicates it's there to hold the bulb.

Now, the question is, WTF are those rods supposed to be?

EDIT: Btw, Donny, notice the arrow and that the top edge of the undercut is parallel to the flight deck, which isn't how you've modeled it. Sorry.

 

[Tallguy]

I mean, if Discovery is making the Enterprise then Disco can do whatever it wants. That's just storytelling. The Great Bird wanted (and sometimes got) TNG to "retcon" TOS.

But that's a lot more philosophical than this thread needs.

 

[Jesse1066]

I mean, if Discovery is making the Enterprise then Disco can do whatever it wants. That's just storytelling. The Great Bird wanted (and sometimes got) TNG to "retcon" TOS.

But that's a lot more philosophical than this thread needs.

Yes, and they could give it "a hangar deck large enough to hangar a whole fleet of today's jet liners," but it would still have no bearing on this project.

 

[Donny]

It's worth noting that ENT also had a horizontal, same-height shuttle bay in its MSD of USS Defiant.
from In a Mirror Darkly part 2

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with @Tallguy on this one. I love Doug and the work he's done for Trek, but I've never been a big fan of this schematic. And I know I haven't seen hardly any of Enterprise, and I respect it as a part of Trek lore, but I'm not going to give it more credit than what we saw on-screen in TOS. My flight deck/hangar deck/shuttlebay or whatever you want to call it is going to closely reflect the filming miniature as much as possible, and this includes a tapered, large flight deck. Thanks, however, for pointing out this schematic! I enjoy the discussions on these topics!

EDIT: Btw, Donny, notice the arrow and that the top edge of the undercut is parallel to the flight deck, which isn't how you've modeled it. Sorry.

Dammit, @Maurice. Always trying to push me to do a better job

FYI: I've taken a few days off from the project to play No Man's Sky's latest updated, NEXT. And I'm getting ready for Star Trek: Las Vegas this weekend and will be attending/working the STO booth all of next week. So I probably won't be posting any updates of this project for another week and a half. I hope to get some work done on the turntable/elevator and the flight deck floor this weekend before heading out...we shall see! As always, I appreciate the constant input/feedback/discussion on this thread and look forward to reading every post! Thanks guys!

Anyone going to be at STLV?