Agreed. I think the over-the-top dialog only compounds the problems inherent in the plot device that I found, slap-dashed and to be blunt, rather insipid.
STAR TREK V DIRECTOR´S CUT
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Agreed. I think the over-the-top dialog only compounds the problems inherent in the plot device that I found, slap-dashed and to be blunt, rather insipid.
Poor Cynthia....even a seasoned pro like David warner couldn't inject any life into the dialogue he was handed. Imagine a less seasoned actor like Cynthia? Plus horrible headgear instead of romulan ears.
The ship goes camera left.
The ship goes camera right.
Directional continuity be damned!
Yeah, it's really annoying, and frankly disorienting.The ship goes camera left.
The ship goes camera right.
Directional continuity be damned!
Wow, those effects look even shittier than the original.
Well, it's fan stuff, so I don't expect motion picture quality. It's just a pet peeve of mine that even "pro" CG animation (looking at you, TOS-R) is done by many people who don't under the basics of directional consistency/continuity. I guess no one teaches that. If the first shot of the ship heading towards the great barrier has it going screen left, it should always be traveling screen left as long as it's still heading to the same destination. It's a cinematic language consideration that goes back to the silent era because it makes intuitive sense.
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Actually those are not to bad, i quite like some of them, even the scenes ripped from ST6, apart from the motion blur bit, motion blur in anything is like a nail down a school chalk board to me, just hate it.
Of course my only minor issue with STV is the fact that nobody in the ST universe seems to be bothing with the fact that there is this thing at the supposed center of the universe, where are all the space stations and different ST races all studying this thing since they found it, because you would think it would be a phenomonon of great importance, but yet the Enterprise crew just heads to it as if they were going for a quick jaunt around the block to nowhere of any importance. lol
They do.
Their dialogue was shakespeariano in the deleted scenes.
Ferren largely worked by scaling images of the Enterprise instead of, you know, actually moving the camera past the model. They reportedly had problems with the motion control rig which is why you get those stop-motion staccato shots of the Bird of Prey, shuttle and Pioneer probe. The only good motion shot of the Enterprise is the last one of it in orbit with the Bird of Prey.
I believe in terms of editing and general story and even tone, the released film was Shatner's director cut, he didn't come up with the idea of having lots of comic relief (the studio did) but he also wasn't against it and since the film release he hasn't expressed regret for any aspects of the film aside from the special effects (not good enough and not enough, period, especially in the climax).
Agreed. I've mentioned that before on here. That, and the moon shot are the only 2 decent shots of the E.
If Viacom gave Mr. Shatner a chance to oversee SFX in his remaining days on Earth, why not? I agree, what was shot would remain the same--unless he pulls a Nic Meyer and install different takes from a scene.
TFF was supposed to be the platform that launched Shatner's directorial career in movies, which didn't happen. So, I suspect that his interest in TFF kind of stopped there. What's funny is that when the movie opened, it actually did quite well. But ... then reviews and word of mouth cut that shit short and I don't believe Shatner's ever really looked back on it. Had it been a great success, however, oh yeah ... he'd probably have multiple versions put out, over the years. Still, when he pitched this idea to certain people, like Harve Bennette, at the time, "I want to make a movie where Captain Kirk encounters God," there was just no way Harve was going to not want to do some type of damage control with the story and the script.
That would always stick in Bill's craw, I'm sure ... Shatner would always bitch about that aspect of it. But who wouldn't shit a gold brick being told that they're making a movie about meeting (and possibly defeating) God, Himself? Harve liked making money off of STAR TREK, he didn't want to have to leave it, but he sure as hell was temped, this time. Unfortunately, the actual look of TFF is the very LEAST of its problems and is exactly what MOST of the money would pay for in a DC. Shatner's quite old, now, so any opportunity to make more money on something he'll leap at. But maybe 20 years ago, I wonder what his enthusiasm might've been for such a project.
That would always stick in Bill's craw, I'm sure ... Shatner would always bitch about that aspect of it. But who wouldn't shit a gold brick being told that they're making a movie about meeting (and possibly defeating) God, Himself? Harve liked making money off of STAR TREK, he didn't want to have to leave it, but he sure as hell was temped, this time. Unfortunately, the actual look of TFF is the very LEAST of its problems and is exactly what MOST of the money would pay for in a DC. Shatner's quite old, now, so any opportunity to make more money on something he'll leap at. But maybe 20 years ago, I wonder what his enthusiasm might've been for such a project.
Actually, Paramount is considering a High Definition reissue of the Director’s Edition of TMP for next year. I asked VFX Supervisor Daren Dochterman, and he told me that all of the CG assets still exist. All that’s needed is the green light from Paramount.
Cut them some slack. It’s fan-made. You can’t expect ILM-quality work from fans. Although, there are some exceptions.
AHEM.
AHEM again.
Anyway, I'm rather tired of the "cut them some slack" attitude. They took the time to learn all this complicated software to make movies, now take an hour to read one essay on basic cinematography.
I really can't see much of an improvement there.
It's the plot that's the problem. It's just plain bad and you can't remaster that out...
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