CVN-80 and the wall of Enterprises

[J.T.B.]

The last 'HMS Enterprize' built before 1776 also had several sister ships including

http://img.moviepostershop.com/mast...of-the-world-movie-poster-2003-1020266022.jpg

'HMS Surprize'

It kind of grates on me when "HMS" is applied anachronistically to times when it would never have been used, though I know that has become standard on Wikipedia. The 28-gun Enterprise and Surprise would have been referred to as His Majesty's frigates, if any prefix information was needed. But at least they were ships, so less egregious than when it is applied to brigs, cutters, schooners etc.

 

[B.J.]

Then again, there is only ever one space shuttle by the name displayed. Presumably competing stuff from, say, Virgin either will never exist, or will exist in remarkable quantity and insignificance...

Well, there was a VSS Enterprise from Virgin, but it crashed.

 

[Galileo7]

Here is just some of the Enterprises...that wall would be crowded or much bigger to display.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20110617021112&path-prefix=en

 

[The Wormhole]

Obviously when we finally get a 25th century series set aboard the Enterprise G, they will make the room to feature every single damn previous Enterprise. It's what the True Fans want.

 

[thribs]

One of the differences between the real and Star Trek universes is that the Enterprise Shuttle was a real Shuttle craft in the Star Trek universe while in the real world, it was just a testbed to test the gliding capabilities.
I also don’t think it was called Enterprise because of the show.

 

[TrickyDickie]

I also don’t think it was called Enterprise because of the show.

Construction began on Enterprise on June 4, 1974. Designated OV-101, it was originally planned to be named Constitution and unveiled on Constitution Day, September 17, 1976. Fans of Star Trek asked US President Gerald Ford, through a letter-writing campaign, to name the orbiter after the television show's fictional starship, USS Enterprise. White House advisors cited "hundreds of thousands of letters" from Trekkies, "one of the most dedicated constituencies in the country", as a reason for giving the shuttle the name. Although Ford did not publicly mention the campaign, the president said that he was "partial to the name" Enterprise, and directed NASA officials to change the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise

 

[Tim Thomason]

Construction began on Enterprise on June 4, 1974. Designated OV-101, it was originally planned to be named Constitution and unveiled on Constitution Day, September 17, 1976. Fans of Star Trek asked US President Gerald Ford, through a letter-writing campaign, to name the orbiter after the television show's fictional starship, USS Enterprise. White House advisors cited "hundreds of thousands of letters" from Trekkies, "one of the most dedicated constituencies in the country", as a reason for giving the shuttle the name. Although Ford did not publicly mention the campaign, the president said that he was "partial to the name" Enterprise, and directed NASA officials to change the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise

Heh. He's talking about in-universe there, buddy.

 

[thribs]

Obviously when we finally get a 25th century series set aboard the Enterprise G, they will make the room to feature every single damn previous Enterprise. It's what the True Fans want.

I think for the next ship, they should do a mix and not show all of them. That way it will fit better with the continuity if it is the captain’s preference of the ships he wants to display with the same name.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Heh. He's talking about in-universe there, buddy.

Yup....read the post too fast.

Though there might be some people who are unaware of that fact.

It won't be a ton of years before the last shuttle flight will be a generation ago....

 

[Mysterion]

^^^
That's okay - next summer will be 50 years since 7-year-old-me sat in front of the old black and white TV with the rabbit ears in my great-grandparent's house and watch Neil Armstrong take that first step onto the moon. Making me feel just a bit old, I gotta say.

 

[TrickyDickie]

^^^
That's okay - next summer will be 50 years since 7-year-old-me sat in front of the old black and white TV with the rabbit ears in my great-grandparent's house and watch Neil Armstrong take that first step onto the moon. Making me feel just a bit old, I gotta say.

I was 2, but I do remember watching it on our old b/w Admiral brand tv....which, when not in use, had plywood over the tube so that I would not crash into it with my ride-on toys.

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

It kind of grates on me when "HMS" is applied anachronistically to times when it would never have been used, though I know that has become standard on Wikipedia. The 28-gun Enterprise and Surprise would have been referred to as His Majesty's frigates, if any prefix information was needed. But at least they were ships, so less egregious than when it is applied to brigs, cutters, schooners etc.

A modern shorthand to denote a vessel of another nation.

Parochialism rules the waves

 

[Timo]

Amusingly, Trek (or at least Memory Alpha) insists on the specific IRW/Imperial Romulan Warbird instead of a more generic IRS...

(Is "IRS" out for the same sort of reasons as with STD or Colonel Klink, uh, Kira?)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[danellis]

Amusingly, Trek (or at least Memory Alpha) insists on the specific IRW/Imperial Romulan Warbird instead of a more generic IRS...

(Is "IRS" out for the same sort of reasons as with STD or Colonel Klink, uh, Kira?)

Timo Saloniemi

Don't see why they shouldn't name something after the Holy Roman Empire....

dJE

 

[The Wormhole]

One of the differences between the real and Star Trek universes is that the Enterprise Shuttle was a real Shuttle craft in the Star Trek universe while in the real world, it was just a testbed to test the gliding capabilities.
I also don’t think it was called Enterprise because of the show.

According to Enterprise's opening credits, the TOS cast still attended the launch of the Shuttle Enterprise in universe.

 

[TrickyDickie]

According to Enterprise's opening credits, the TOS cast still attended the launch of the Shuttle Enterprise in universe.

Sure enough....forgot all about that.

 

[Timo]

...Curiously enough, that is neither the real OV Enterprise nor the TMP or DS9 or ENT or STID display version thereof.

TMP Rec Deck and ENT Ready Room art both show the real glide test article as she appeared, with the tail cone and pitot nose and without the RCS. DS9 desktop art shows an orbiting version (docked to Space Station Freedom) but with the name where it would go in real early orbiters, on the payload bay doors. STID also has an orbiting version, with indiscernible pennants that might not even say Enterprise.

The above is probably the Endeavour, with the name faked in CGI in a location where it never appeared on the real deal (or the other fakes). Thus, no TOS folks around in that pic.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[XCV330]

One of the differences between the real and Star Trek universes is that the Enterprise Shuttle was a real Shuttle craft in the Star Trek universe while in the real world, it was just a testbed to test the gliding capabilities.
I also don’t think it was called Enterprise because of the show.

OV-101 was a testbed but with a modifications it was certainly capable of spaceflight. And it almost happened after the loss of Challenger OV-99 (the lower number for Challenger is because it was actually the shuttle build out of the structural test article. Enterprise, to so speak, had her keel laid down later).
The main problem with refitting OV-101 for spaceflight at that point was weight. There were a lot of add-ons that had been used for Enterprises ALT flights that weren't needed. Columbia was overweight so to speak, compared to the other orbiters, as well. Though it was capable of spaceflight, it did not have enough payload for meaningful missions to ISS, so while the rest of the orbiters spent the last decade of their career building ISS, Columbia was restricted to other duties.

Enterprise in the end had weight issues, and there were concerns of the condition of its structural components from previous handling, such as the time it spent in humid air at the New Orleans Worlds Fair. It still found uses such as being used as the orbiter for the fitting of the third shuttle launch pad at California (never used). In the end it was decided after a lot of thought, to restart production lines with whatever spares could be used (I paraphrase, the real story is more complicated) to produce the Endeavour OV-105.

After the loss of Columbia, Enterprises own carbon-carbon leading wing edges were tested and destroyed by having ice shot at it in order to understand what caused the loss of her sister ship. The findings served to help and protect the remaining ships of the shuttle fleet.

So, she never flew, but could have. Sorry for long winded response. Bit of a shuttle fan.

 

[Tuskin38]

Sure enough....forgot all about that.

That isn't the Enterprise, it is footage another shuttle digitally altered to have the name.

On the actual Enterprise the name is behind the cockpit

Fun fact. According to Memory-Alpha, the ISS Model in Sisko's office had a shuttle attached to it, that the art team renamed to Enterprise. Obviously that was never visible on screen.

 

[TrickyDickie]

This is all cool as hell.

With all of the footage of Enterprise available, why did they find the need to alter footage of one of the others?