When has popular art not had political overtones? Shit. The Odessy was hugely political.
Alex Kurtzman Gets New Deal With CBS, Will Expand 'Star Trek' TV
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Bold would also be me chopping off my arm. Not that I should.
I love BSGand I suppose the fact that the 2004 series was a full reboot with no ties to the events of the original series made it easier to make Starbuck female - and we should expect female characters in strong lead roles in modern tv. And Starbuck was awesome!
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So what I gain from putting these two quotes from the same post together is: you view DSC as a reboot.
Yes and no. As I said, Kruge in TSFS was arguably the B plot. Sybok in TFF was an antagonist, but certainly not a villain in the classic sense. And although Chang in TUC got some great moments, even he doesn't really count, because he was just one charismatic face in the conspiracy across both the Klingon Empire and the Federation to keep the conflict between the two states going.
Personally, I found the scenes with Cochrane on Earth much better than the Borg zombie shit in FC, but YMMV.
As the inscription on Thor's hammer, Mjolnir, reads: "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." (If Thor were created today I am reasonably certain "he" would be "they")
Diversity is an obvious political agenda. It was an obvious political agenda in 1966 when Star Trek premiered, it is an obvious political agenda in 2017 with Discovery.
Everything is going to be slanted politically by the morals of its particular creator.
Says the guy who thinks that making more of a thing may be an indication that that thing was a failure.
Do you even know what "flagship product" means?
Precisely. Self-validation has become the most important thing.
Unfortunately now the internet is dominated by two groups: those who don't want women and minorities in "their" movies, and those who want to "get back" at white men by having only women and minorities in "their" movies. Sadly there is a shrinking group of moderates who just want good movies, regardless of who's in them.
I'm not quite sure about that. After Jane Foster acquired the hammer the inscription changed to "if she be worthy", so it seems to me like the hammer adjusts to the gender of the current owner. Since it started out as Thor's hammer I can see why it would say "he" from the very begnning.
I don't want only women and minorities in "my" movies but I'm not going to object to a movie where that happens to be the case. Before you twist it around to something else, I also wouldn't object if there were only white men in that movie.
I'm disturbed by the fact that now having women and minorities as the majority in something is viewed as an agenda by default. I make independent films. Very independent films. Three out of my four leads in the film I'm shooting right now are black. Was I actively seeking out to have a 75% black main cast? No. I just cast the best people for the part.
My very existence would be accused of being part of an "SJW" agenda if I were put in a movie: a half-Iranian, atheist, mostly women friends, and I have "long" hair, so I must be one of those "damn hippies".
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Wait. We were talking about many things, but among them you/we were talking about shows getting canceled. Right? What other consideration besides money is there when it comes to that?!
No Star Trek ever would have aired and seen the light of day were it not going to make money for somebody in the process. The issue of popularity in culture cannot be completely divorced from profitability of the shows.
Your opinion is not fact. The fact is that they aired Voyager just as DS9 would've otherwise flown on its own, and we'll never know how well it would've done without that crap series to compete with it for audience attentions, and giving them "more of the same" to tune in to. Hell, it even occupied the same time slot in some instances.
Can't argue with that, and I hate that situation with a passion.
Oh, it would be suicide, for sure, but then ask yourself why.
Depends what you mean by "obvious". If the show makes no case of it, then it's not that obvious. Uhura was minority casting, but there's no single line in TOS that makes an issue of her being black. She's just one of the crew. If she kept yapping about slavery or "the man" or whatnot, that'd be pretty damned obvious.
Lest you think otherwise, I don't disagree with you.
No, it would be ze or zir.
https://genderneutralpronoun.wordpress.com/tag/ze-and-zir/
But the problem is that entertainment these days seems to obsess on these issues rather than the actual story or quality of execution.
Stories are always political, as is most art. They are a product of their day and age.
This is not new. This is not a "these days" situation. Stories and art have always reflected the politics of the times, and many tales are designed around specific themes relevant to the audience. It would be difficult to write a story any other way.
It's not news that all my posts represent my opinion, every last one of them.
That doesn't exactly make any of your posted statements more than your opinion. Does it?
So what, then, is the purpose of this remark?
I'm glad to hear that.
We don't interact much, but I know you're a fan of the show, so I figured we must be on the same page somewhere, it just wasn't coming through upthread.
Um, I was just pointing out that to accommodate storylines like the one that they just did, they probably would have defaulted away from he if created today instead of 1963. But as Jinn pointed out they did a magical fix for it so it really wasn't necessary. I would argue that entertainment these days is not the one obsessed with these issues.
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Good, that makes two of us. That's even in my signature.
Is it just my opinion that Voyager competed with DS9? No.
It would be your opinion that one subtracted viewers from the other in any quantity to speak of, unless they aired at the same hour of the day, which they generally didn't.
Ya know. When I watched coming to America with Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall, I didn't complain about a lack of white representation. I wasn't bitching about the only white male in there was that fat comedian. Nope. I didn't care. But now, you've got these people who make it All about race, gender and so on. That's unfortunate. That's the problem. If it's just the character happens to be this or that, it feels natural. Not an agenda. Like the casting of Idris in Pacific Rim. Great actor who happens to be black. When they turn it into a mantra and a "Ha! In your face Whitey! Sexist, mysogonist, bigot!" then it's a problem. Especially when that's used anytime a white fan has a complaint about the show that's legit, and reasonable. That's the issue that many are dealing with now and it's industry wide and across all properties, star wars, marvel comics, soon the MCU, and DC comics and tv shows, STD, and Doctor who.
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