Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?
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Once they were able to get rid of Lucas it was downhill
Absolutely, it set a precedent where the fans could effectively "dismiss" someone by heaping abuse on them until they'd had enough of the first thing they see in the morning and last thing they see at night being strangers throwing vitriol in their direction. It worked once and like all badly behaved, bullying children these people learnt that it would work again.
It must be a truly awful experience and I'd not be surprised to find it resulting in the recipients developing depression and anxiety disorders. It's cruel.
Oh, stop being nice.
This place is moderated, do feel free to mentally insert more honest words.
Oh, I got it alright, the problem is if I genuinely let loose with my opinions on these people I'd get a perma ban within the day!
I guess it makes sense to defend someone you think is being demonized but it's probably good to not be hyperbolic in response. How is someone not making more millions on a followup to their film them being particularly hurt or damaged? Even if they couldn't but especially if they could still make millions working on another film instead? And how are a few people complaining that the new movies are terrible and suggesting undecided people not see them anymore ruining the series for everyone else?
Many entertainment writers have been fired or no longer hired after their works failed or even didn't succeed enough and most seem to not have taken the fan criticism personally, some even admitted the fans had a point.
Refusing to watch something and suggesting other people also avoid it doesn't seem like bullying to me.
I'm assuming sarcasm here.
Do you suppose being financially successful prevents people having feelings, prevents them feeling bullied and harassed?
George Lucas specifically gave up on SW because of the abuse and the effect it was having on his life . Kelly Marie Tran has effectively gone into hiding (at least online) because she couldn't face constantly being exposed to what people were saying about (and to) her. Clearly Kathleen Kennedy is the next target and I don't care how much money she is making, she's a victim of harassment and abuse.
You said it yourself, a few people.
That's what this is, a few people who don't represent the majority and aren't simply voicing an opinion but presuming to speak for the fanbase and do so in a way that many of us are embarrassed by. Nonetheless that majority are being tarred by association and if and when KK steps down I hope she does so on her terms at a time of her choosing with the understanding that the people creating such a pathetic fuss were not the fans collectively but a tiny minority who most of us consider pathetic.
Truly, the ony way for somone to be ‘hurt’ is financially. That’s totally what people are talking about.
Not people being outright stalked and abused, and their harassers attempting to dodge responsibility because “they should expect it/it’s not a big deal/they’re successful enough not to care!”
‘Everyone’ else? Nah.
The person they dissuade, typically with a highly subjective word vomit of hyperbole? Over something you may not have even seen? Possibly.
After all: As the general fan reaction to Solo showed, you’ve possibly deprived them of an experience they might have enjoyed. All because you can’t help but vent your spleen for months on end.
(Which is one of the lines between ‘criticism’ and ‘harassment’ btw. Since you seem to have trouble finding it.)
Which is why everyone’s calling for the retirement of Ron Howard and Dave Filoni!
How can one be posting in a thread that title and OP, and still be this obtuse?
It’s either ballsy, and just assumes everyone else is blind. Or both.
It's almost as though people don't understand having a temper tantrum because you personally don't like something is the same as being constructive, don't understand that the bulk of the fans actually don't agree with them anyway.....
"Damaging" Star Wars? Nah, not even close. If anything, Uncle George 'ruined' the scene with that horrid prequel trilogy.
I really enjoyed Force Awakens & The Last Jedi. Rogue One, too. And yes, I've been a fan since the beginning, having seen the original trilogy in theaters several times over. I've got opinions regarding the current hate campaign and ugly "SJW" remarks/accusations leveled at these recent films (seeing some brown & female faces got the 'good ol white boys club' up in arms, eh?), but this likely isn't the thread/place to delve any further into the subject.
I really enjoyed Force Awakens & The Last Jedi. Rogue One, too. And yes, I've been a fan since the beginning, having seen the original trilogy in theaters several times over. I've got opinions regarding the current hate campaign and ugly "SJW" remarks/accusations leveled at these recent films (seeing some brown & female faces got the 'good ol white boys club' up in arms, eh?), but this likely isn't the thread/place to delve any further into the subject.
"Damaging" Star Wars? Nah, not even close. If anything, Uncle George 'ruined' the scene with that horrid prequel trilogy.
I really enjoyed Force Awakens & The Last Jedi. Rogue One, too. And yes, I've been a fan since the beginning, having seen the original trilogy in theaters several times over. I've got opinions regarding the current hate campaign and ugly "SJW" remarks/accusations leveled at these recent films (seeing some brown & female faces got the 'good ol white boys club' up in arms, eh?), but this likely isn't the thread/place to delve any further into the subject.
Actually I think it's exactly the place
"Damaging" Star Wars? Nah, not even close. If anything, Uncle George 'ruined' the scene with that horrid prequel trilogy.
I really enjoyed Force Awakens & The Last Jedi. Rogue One, too. And yes, I've been a fan since the beginning, having seen the original trilogy in theaters several times over. I've got opinions regarding the current hate campaign and ugly "SJW" remarks/accusations leveled at these recent films (seeing some brown & female faces got the 'good ol white boys club' up in arms, eh?), but this likely isn't the thread/place to delve any further into the subject.
As this thread was designed to discuss the allegations that KK has done what she’s done in order to fill some agenda of destroying the white male (as a white male, don’t see it.
), and that her actions are leading to the destruction of Star Wars which is apparently leading to her being fired, yeah, I think this is exactly the place.Actually I think it's exactly the place
As this thread was designed to discuss the allegations that KK has done what she’s done in order to fill some agenda of destroying the white male (as a white male, don’t see it.
Well, as much as I appreciate (and respect) the mutual sentiment & backing, the reality is that I've been a member here for less than 24 hours and have already been snarked at and had rules quoted at me, so it's probably for the best if I don't upset the 'status quo' any further at this time.
I doubt these producers actually care who is writing about them. As far as I'm concerned Lucas gave us Star Wars and it was at its best with the original. The prequels did not do much for me. I liked TFA but even that was just a copy with less wonder. There is formula and I do think agenda, just that some people approve and others rail against it. I don't think Kennedy has damaged the franchise she's just ticked the boxes.
I think that is a mature balanced point of view. I find it really hard to feel sorry for a successful and accomplished woman! What is it people say? Living well is the best revenge.
Said by a man who was quiet literally never ‘well,’ (theoretically) gave up all worldly pursuits, and died in his 30’s. Before the advent of social media, the lucky bastard.
Herbert was a smart man. Had a way with words. But in this particular instance, really had no idea what he was talking about. Credit to him though, he explicitly didn’t think ‘being successful’ was the same thing as ‘living well.’
If your feelings are hurt because people feel your film sequel to your own or someone else's film was a letdown or that your character was annoying you shouldn't make films. Lucas doesn't seem depressed or as if he had been abused or forced out of making more SW films, he's always had mixed feelings about directing (rewarding but stressful, the pre- and post-production aspects of filmmaking more enjoyable) and especially about making blockbusters (long saying that, outside of SW, he would prefer to do smaller & more personal films).
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I feel that George is consistently overrated. He relishes being known as 'The Creator', and I will always acknowledge how he deftly ripped off Campbell's work & Saturday matinee pulp stories making them more palatable for the masses, but those originals were collaborative efforts. I think many people forget this, or are simply ill-informed. This is (mainly) why his prequel films are cartoonish and vacuous; his voice was the end-all-be-all.
Many of the artists and talent involved with the original films felt a bit hurt when George altered the films for those 'Special Editions' in the 90s, and I don't blame them a bit. I remember George doing the interview circuit at the time and saying things like, "well, we wanted to go in and fix some things. Clean some things up." What an utter smack in the face to those amazing ILM artists that collaborated with George on the originals, tsk tsk tsk. Also, never forget that Kersh directed the finest of the original three films and Marquand directed ROTJ. What has the 'great' George Lucas accomplished on his own, other than THX? Radioland Murders? American Graffiti? ...Howard the Duck?
In summation:
- Original SW trilogy = collaborative endeavors, all decent-great films with splashes of magic and tons of heart. Beloved.
- Lucas prequels = Bloated, spoiled baby brat 'my way or the highway' CGI junkers. Universally disliked & soulless.
Personal attacks on the people shouldn't be considered acceptable, strong attacks on the work shouldn't be considered to be personal at all, let alone abuse or harassment. I don't believe people complaining about Lucas's work was heaping abuse on him.
People have broken into his backyard!
And yeah somone splurging about how he ‘ruined Star Wars’ and “raped my childhood’ once a month, for a decade straight, is pretty much nothing but harassment. Because it sure as hell ain’t a critique.
Also, an aggrieved client can ‘passionately’ criticise the job I’m doing. They can even leave a negative review on google or whatever. They’re still gonna get the cops called on ‘em if they tie that review to a brick, and throw it through my window. Sometimes, your motives just don’t matter compared to your actions.
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