I was going to open up a Star Trek themed steakhouse but then I realized all of my customers would argue about whether or not the Rib was "Prime" so I changed my mind.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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It is consistent with what came before. Not 100% but none of the series were.
Eh, at the start of TNG, it was really just another show. I think Roddenberry thought of it as a reboot. A way to right the "mistakes" of TOS. Even in the TMP novelization (written by Roddenberry), the TOS adventures were seen as a dramatization.
You know expect the Naked Now which was sort of sequel/retelling of a TOS episode. Even showed the Enterprise (Albeit the Refit pre-remastered).
Yes, it was trying to ease people in by giving an episode that rode on the coattails of TOS. But at least they weren't going to that well every single week. It started doing its own thing. With varying degrees of success.
I prefer Bajorans to the Bajora. I prefer the Trill from DS9 to the Trill from "The Host". I don't really miss the Morgana Quadrant. I prefer '80s Hair Metal Khan and his followers to his group from the '60s. And I prefer the Mirror Universe we have now.
What they're consistently doing is consistently adjusting. I notice they tweak things once it becomes clear we'll be seeing them on a more regular basis instead of just once.
The Mirror Universe in DSC looks like it's influenced by the Mirror Universe in DS9 where we never not see darkness. They must've taken it a step further and decided Terrans can't stand light. They also looked at the designs in DS9's Mirror Universe and went further with it. I prefer this look.
I think -- and I'm only speculating -- some people just prefer the Mirror Universe just be "TOS with goatees and skimpier clothes!" for no other reason than in "Mirror, Mirror" it was "TOS with goatees and skimpier clothes!"
Give me goth and black leather any day over that. I love Hot Topic. It's one of my favorite stores. Half my wardrobe is from them.
Hell, this is Sci-Fi. Quantum theory. Multiple, infinite universes. Lorca's Mirror Universe can be just be a similar Mirror Universe to the one in TOS. But now we're getting into the weeds. We're getting into infinity.
This is the "can't win" DSC creators get from certain fans.
If they delve into backstory, they're riding old show's coat tails. If they try something new like a party in the lounge or .. gasp, spore drive, they'll get various whines of "This is not trek!" and appeals to "Gene's vision!"
I've not complained about either. Care to try again?
The Spore Drive could've been a creative boon to Trek. A drive that can take you anywhere in the universe. Where did Discovery take us? To a Klingon war and the Mirror Universe.
in 13 episodes. Jesus, give it a rest.
In fifteen episodes. Westworld and other shows seem to have no problems being creative with even less episodes.
Why? Have I hit a nerve.
No. but I am not replying to you anymore. It serves no purpose. I get that this forum is for discussion back and forth. You don't have to like a show or dislike it. But it's clear on this point there is no way we can agree on virtually anything.In fifteen episodes. Westworld and other shows seem to have no problems being creative with even less episodes.
Why? Have I hit a nerve.
No, they certainly haven't done their homework! If they had we wouldn't have this problem with the show! One of many may I add?
JB
Yeah, that's fair enough. Honestly, I wish they'd have gone that route.
Well, my personal opinion on that stuff is that I can gloss over minor continuity problems and ignore one line of dialogue, but if the Temporal Cold War and its splintering of timelines works for you, fair enough.Maybe the TNG timeline was also affected by the temporal cold war then, Jinn?
JB
I find it interesting how people jump to "They didn't do their homework!" as opposed to "They did their homework, are aware of the discontinuity but chose to do something different."
They are claiming their did their homework and those of us who have actually done our homework can see that they didn't. If you don't want to do the homework, do something new. CBS and the show runners call this a reboot and 90% of this thread becomes moot. A reboot can be as close or far from the original as they want it to be.
Awhile ago I tried to catalogue Trek's timelines, and make a swirly visual chart not unlike Daniels' Temporal Observatory from "Cold Front". Problem was, when it came to Voyager I realised it was completely impossible to make sense of anything. "Before and After" branched off several timelines, "Year of Hell" ended in a 300-year reset with galaxy-spanning repercussions. Was it the pre- or post- YoH Voyager that existed in the same world as TOS and the rest? Then there's "Relativity" which splinters off numerous timelines including one where Janeway knows she'll have a Borg crewmember and get lost in the Delta Quadrant before leaving spacedock. "Fury" does similar splintering off another history where Janeway knew Ked would turn crazy all along and pre-planned for it.
Now add in Enterprise, whose time travels include a pre-TCW timeline where the NX-01 is destroyed in "Cold Front", a Nazis-in-the-White-House-during-WWII history, explicit mention of everything post-"The Expanse" being an alternate timeline, the entire Xindi incident being the result of a possible future where a war goes badly for the Sphere Builders, explicitly different to the post-"Zero Hour" timeline where the Sphere network is destroyed in 2153...
And so on. Which one is the Prime Universe again?
Now add in Enterprise, whose time travels include a pre-TCW timeline where the NX-01 is destroyed in "Cold Front", a Nazis-in-the-White-House-during-WWII history, explicit mention of everything post-"The Expanse" being an alternate timeline, the entire Xindi incident being the result of a possible future where a war goes badly for the Sphere Builders, explicitly different to the post-"Zero Hour" timeline where the Sphere network is destroyed in 2153...
And so on. Which one is the Prime Universe again?
I'd love to see your results on that!
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