Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys

[DigificWriter]

I don’t really care about midichlorians. While destiny in some situations is important in this franchise, that wasn't how the Force was initially presented. While I read some of the new comics, I don’t give much care to what canon offscreen does or doesn’t do. Most viewers just care about what’s in the films. Back in 1977, the idea of the Force and how to access it was that it was open to everyone. You just needed to be willing to make the commitment. That was Luke’s journey. Until ESB complicated the issue. Between Ezra who undergoes a similar journey to Luke, and many other characters in Rebels, Chirrut, Maz and yes, Rey, show that you don’t need to have that connection to someone important to be important.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

I do not dispute the argument you are making; what I'm disputing is the notion that the introduction of the concept of the Midichloreans is at odds with or contradicts said argument.

 

[Campe]

This is not an accurate statement.

Really? Where in the original 1977 Star Wars does it suggest that destiny is an important thing? That you have to have a familial connection? That there are some sort of microscopic things in your cells controlling the Force?

Edited: By the way, way to change your post.

I shouldn't have mentioned Midichlorians. We've blown a minor mention on my part into something huge. All I'm saying is that Lucas was smart enough back in '77 to suggest that all those little boys out there could be Jedi too. Or, if you will, be important. Even if you are just a farmboy from nowhere. Or, as JJ and Johnson have suggested, a scavenger from nowhere, who just happens to be a girl. It makes it super accessible for kids out there. And at the end of the day, this is what Star Wars is about. Adding all of that depth is cool for the fanboys, but it dilutes the message for the kids who are just trying to have fun. THAT is the point I'm trying to make.

 

[DigificWriter]

Really? Where in the original 1977 Star Wars does it suggest that destiny is an important thing? That you have to have a familial connection? That there are some sort of microscopic things in your cells controlling the Force?

I misread your comment, and have since edited my post.

 

[Campe]

I misread your comment, and have since edited my post.

I saw it. I too, have edited my post.

 

[DigificWriter]

Really? Where in the original 1977 Star Wars does it suggest that destiny is an important thing? That you have to have a familial connection? That there are some sort of microscopic things in your cells controlling the Force?

Edited: By the way, way to change your post.

I shouldn't have mentioned Midichlorians. We've blown a minor mention on my part into something huge. All I'm saying is that Lucas was smart enough back in '77 to suggest that all those little boys out there could be Jedi too. Or, if you will, be important. Even if you are just a farmboy from nowhere. Or, as JJ and Johnson have suggested, a scavenger from nowhere, who just happens to be a girl.

And that message has never changed, even with the conceptual contexualization provided by the introduction of the Midichloreans.

 

[Campe]

And that message has never changed, even with the conceptual contexualization provided by the introduction of the Midichloreans.

Eh. I think the whole ESB/ROTJ familial destiny, Anakin being a chosen one "conceived by midichlorians" muddled things a bit. But, okay.

 

[fireproof78]

Bu why was the man who risked it all to save his father in the position of killing his nephew while he slept? You could have easily had Luke fall and stuck to his original character by having him ignore the warning signs with Ben. Assume he could save him like he did Vader and fail. The problem with this is that then you can't push Ben as a redeemable character to the people who like them dark, moody, buff and handsome.

He did ignore the warning signs with Ben. And then, he looked in to Ben, and saw great evil. He reacted on instinct, as Jedi were trained to do (look at Anakin's reaction to Sidious' reveal), and then hesitated.

I don't see any other problem with this as it stands. I find Luke to be highly relatable and interesting. Mileage will vary.

 

[Jedi_Master]

"I hate this franchise now and will spend endless hours searching for any scrap of information that validates my personal subjective opinion"

Owner of click-bait site: Well looky here, another unwitting customer!

 

[starsuperion]

And that is all I’m suggesting. We need to wait until we have more info before we can see what damage is there and how it looks.

100% Agree. Arbitrary sites and strawmen arguments mean nothing, until we see the fan reaction and sales figures for episode 9. If it bombs, then we know it's not the success all the defenders suggest. If it succeeds, then we know that Solo was a one off. But if episode 9 doesn't do well, then it's time to consider and really look at what the true reasons are. That may be something the defenders don't want to acknowledge, especially if it's about the liberal tropes inserted into the writing, and or the new characters aren't really strong enough to carry the franchise on their own. I honestly can't see how any of them, Finn, Rey, Poe and Kylo are interesting at all. To date they've not really engaged me enough to care about their stories. Honestly how anyone who can identity with Rey is mind boggling, when everything is handed to her and she suffers no real tragedy. Hard to identify with a perfect character. At least with Luke, there was a learning curve and he lost his hand. Barely escaped his encounter on Bespin. Rey has learned everything very easily, and her hour training, her beating Luke..yea..that's still a point of contention with a lot of fans. Let alone her beating Kylo with simple lunges in TFA..

 

[crookeddy]

TFA went out of their way to show that Kylo was pretty badly injured when fighting Rey. This argument that she beat him in TFA is pure nonsense.

 

[Tuskin38]

Let alone her beating Kylo with simple lunges in TFA..

Kylo was heavily injured by Chewbacca's bowcaster blast. He was bleeding out.

 

[Campe]

100% Agree. Arbitrary sites and strawmen arguments mean nothing, until we see the fan reaction and sales figures for episode 9. If it bombs, then we know it's not the success all the defenders suggest. If it succeeds, then we know that Solo was a one off. But if episode 9 doesn't do well, then it's time to consider and really look at what the true reasons are.

You've got my attention.

That may be something the defenders don't want to acknowledge, especially if it's about the liberal tropes inserted into the writing, and or the new characters aren't really strong enough to carry the franchise on their own. I honestly can't see how any of them, Finn, Rey, Poe and Kylo are interesting at all. To date they've not really engaged me enough to care about their stories. Honestly how anyone who can identity with Rey is mind boggling, when everything is handed to her and she suffers no real tragedy. Hard to identify with a perfect character. At least with Luke, there was a learning curve and he lost his hand. Barely escaped his encounter on Bespin. Rey has learned everything very easily, and her hour training, her beating Luke..yea..that's still a point of contention with a lot of fans. Let alone her beating Kylo with simple lunges in TFA..

And you lost it. You can find the characters uninteresting, that's fine. I disagree, but I don't really wan't to argue that point. When you bring in liberal tropes? Thaaaat's where you lose me. Why? Why is it necessary to mention it? I am a white, straight, cisgender, upper middle class male. I have no problem with the idea of bringing characters of minority backgrounds into Star Wars. In fact, I welcome it. This is a time where we're trying to be inclusive. What is wrong with having people of color that other people of color can look up to? We had Luke Skywalker when we grew up. Why can't we have a mainstream female, African American; Latino American or Asian American represented? Why can't those kids have their Luke Skywalker? Why is that such a bad thing? Might it be the downfall of the franchise? Sure. It might be. But why is inclusion such a bad thing? I have not once gotten an answer on this and I'm very curious to know why.

I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting. I just really get frustrated when we bring liberal and conservative language into these conversations. Its unnecessary.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Irony of your statement is underlined above, and the rest of your statement in Bold, I beg to differ..46% isn't an overwhelming Majority..

You know that audience score is calculated non-scientifically, by a self-selected poll, right?

The Audience rating, denoted by a popcorn bucket, is the percentage of all users who have rated the movie or TV Show positively.​

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/about/

 

[Steven P Bastien]

Yeah, Luke didn't want to be found. That's why he didn't have anything to do with Han, his best friend, or Leia, his twin sister. The idea that Luke went away and hide himself until a plucky young Jedi showed up so he could reveal himself and kick ass again is bizarre and out of character.

In the old days of the three original Star Wars movies (and the young days of my life), I would hear rumors (there was no internet then, so it was word of mouth and magazines) that there would eventually be 9 movies and Luke would somehow become evil or succumb to the dark side in the final 3. I think you are right that it is bizarre and out of character for Luke, but I interpreted what I saw as the fruition of those ancient rumors. It may not be correct to say this, but in some sense Luke was shrouded in the dark side of the force. Maybe not fully, but sufficiently to be impotent in the battles between good and evil. This episode shows Luke reemerging into the light of the force and becoming (once again) a strong influence in the power struggle.

 

[Jax]

TFA went out of their way to show that Kylo was pretty badly injured when fighting Rey. This argument that she beat him in TFA is pure nonsense.

Don't bring your facts into this

Indeed the writer(s) & director couldn't be more obvious in how they shown Kylo being injured and emotionally unbalanced, which aided Rey but some people are sadly too thick to get it.

I wonder why it's ok for Luke in ANH to out fly a season WAR Fighter Pilot in Vader who had a stronger connection to the force at the time but the sabre battle in TFA is a step too far. I can't imagine what could possibly be the difference hmm

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In the final lightsaber battle in TFA, Kylo wasn't trying to kill Rey, anyway. He was trying to get her to become his pupil. He, like, said that.

 

[Jinn]

In the final lightsaber battle in TFA, Kylo wasn't trying to kill Rey, anyway. He was trying to get her to become his pupil. He, like, said that.

What he should have said was "I am not using my full strength, if I would you would be dead because you, as a woman, are definitely inferior to me in terms of strengh and fighting abilities." Anything less would be liberal propaganda...

 

[Jax]

liberal propaganda

I hear that's the working title for Episode 9.

 

[Jinn]

I hear that's the working title for Episode 9.

Gee, and I thought I liked Episode 8

 

[Jax]

Gee, and I thought I liked Episode 8

Episode 9 will reveal Rey's parents to be a Mixed Race Transgender Atheist couple.