Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over

[Jinn]

as long as we can agree that Red Kangs are best

No way. Blue!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Ansara Kangs, please!

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Producers continue to deny the latter, claiming 'full communion' with continuity.

LIES!! They are not of the Body! Landru, save us!!

 

[fireproof78]

As the most recent series, Discovery has the benefit of decades of past knowledge about the show. There's no real excuse for mistakes.

Since Star Trek has demonstrated little interest in learning from past mistakes, I'll not hold Discovery accountable while forgiving other shows doing the same.

That seems a rather superficial reason for not watching something. There's a website that's been showing the Classic Doctor Who series, from the beginning, for the past while. I watched a lot of the First Doctor, and realized just how cheaply-made it was, how fake the special effects were... yet I enjoyed them very much. It's the characters and how they deal with the situations presented to them that matters.

That's for you and I can be the same way, and am playing on playing some 16 bit video games later on. But, people like what they like. Any more than I could make you like Kelvin Trek.

 

[lawman]

Now, for the first time ever, people have introduced the Orwellian-double-speak-sounding concept of 'visual continuity', from comic books, when up until recently, visual continuity and actual continuity were one and the same thing.

Yeah, that bugs me to no end. For one thing, it's such an obvious ex post rationalization. For another, the approach to continuity taken by the major comic book publishers is anything but a model to emulate!...

 

[F. King Daniel]

As always, my eternal gratitude goes to King Daniel for creating my all-time favorite Trek-related YouTube videos.

I somehow missed this. Thank you for the kind words!

 

[Tuvix5675]

Canon isn't subject to revision per se, its simply that most people don't get what the word means. People think "canon" refers to some internally consistent timeline and parameters which define the fictional universe. They think that if something new is released which makes no sense sat next to something in a previous iteration or episode it "violates canon".

This is all nonsense, "canon" simply refers to that which is officially part of the franchise, regardless of whether it all fits neatly together or not.

If canon is whatever is aired, and if two things aired contradict, what takes precedence? What was aired first, or what was aired last? This is the problem with this definition of canon, it bucks the idea of permanence of anything established. It's all subject to revision.
T'Pol on Enterprise said, "The Vulcan science directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible."
But Burnham in Discovery says, "Time crystal, we learned about those at the Vulcan science Academy."

 

[Vger23]

If canon is whatever is aired, and if two things aired contradict, what takes precedence? What was aired first, or what was aired last? This is the problem with this definition of canon, it bucks the idea of permanence of anything established. It's all subject to revision.
T'Pol on Enterprise said, "The Vulcan science directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible."
But Burnham in Discovery says, "Time crystal, we learned about those at the Vulcan science Academy."

That was 100 years later. Plenty of time for the Vulcans to realize that the world is not flat.

 

[BillJ]

If canon is whatever is aired, and if two things aired contradict, what takes precedence?

Neither. They both are canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If canon is whatever is aired, and if two things aired contradict, what takes precedence? What was aired first, or what was aired last? This is the problem with this definition of canon, it bucks the idea of permanence of anything established. It's all subject to revision.
T'Pol on Enterprise said, "The Vulcan science directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible."
But Burnham in Discovery says, "Time crystal, we learned about those at the Vulcan science Academy."

Both, neither or what ever the next writer wants.
T'Pol lived 100 years before Burnham. I think the VSD might have changed their mind in that time.

 

[Dukhat]

If canon is whatever is aired, and if two things aired contradict, what takes precedence? What was aired first, or what was aired last? This is the problem with this definition of canon, it bucks the idea of permanence of anything established. It's all subject to revision.
T'Pol on Enterprise said, "The Vulcan science directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible."
But Burnham in Discovery says, "Time crystal, we learned about those at the Vulcan science Academy."

I would assume that what is aired last takes precedence, since what aired first was created by someone else who no longer has the reigns to the franchise.

 

[Refuge]

The production of Discovery go out of their way talking up respecting existing canon. I does need to fit.

 

[Tuskin38]

But Burnham in Discovery says, "Time crystal, we learned about those at the Vulcan science Academy."

As Vger said, that was 100 years after, and after the Temporal Cold War, Archer and T'Pol have plenty of evidence of Time Travel.

 

[Refuge]

If canon is whatever is aired, and if two things aired contradict, what takes precedence? What was aired first, or what was aired last? This is the problem with this definition of canon, it bucks the idea of permanence of anything established. It's all subject to revision.
T'Pol on Enterprise said, "The Vulcan science directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible."
But Burnham in Discovery says, "Time crystal, we learned about those at the Vulcan science Academy."

I would say what aired first. If a later release contradicts then it is flawed story telling.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The production of Discovery go out of their way talking up respecting existing canon. I does need to fit.

Canon can contain contradictions. Star Trek proves this time and time again.

 

[Dukhat]

I would say what aired first. If a later release contradicts then it is flawed story telling.

Not so much 'flawed' as 'that doesn't work with the story I'm trying to tell, so I'm going to ignore it."

 

[Refuge]

Canon can contain contradictions. Star Trek proves this time and time again.

Star Trek proves that some writers stuff up time and time again.

 

[Refuge]

Not so much 'flawed' as 'that doesn't work with the story I'm trying to tell, so I'm going to ignore it."

I know. They make a mockery of... um, fiction

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Neither. They both are canon.

Double-barreled, even.

 

[Dukhat]

I know. They make mockery of... um, fiction

When you have to adhere to 50+ years of continuity, that becomes increasingly harder to manage. Which is why DSC should have been a reboot.