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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3

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Didn't Kara go evil in season 1? If this new Kara is evil in anyway won't this story idea fill to similiar to what they already did? I'm curious but how many shapeshifting DC characters that might be involved? Also I have heard the idea that Lex Luthor might be in the show so maybe he is behind this new Kara. Or the Luthors mom. I would like to see her return again. This show IMO has not been so great with baddies and right now she has been the best of them they have used. Her and Livewire(The radio DJ turned evil who died last year, I think) have been the best IMO.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
Didn't Kara go evil in season 1?
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Briefly, under the influence of Red Kryptonite.


If this new Kara is evil in anyway won't this story idea fill to similiar to what they already did?
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There are only so many basic ideas. What matters is the execution. It's been reported that the inspiration is Superman: Red Son, an Elseworlds graphic novel about an alternate world where Kal-El landed in the USSR and was raised within the Soviet system. Though he worked for a dictatorship, he wasn't evil himself and I think he ended up doing the right thing. Although if this is using the Black Kryptonite concept from Smallville and the subsequent comics, that would suggest the duplicate would be evil. So it's hard to say at this point.

In any case, I think it's safe to say that aligning the season 4 big bad with Russia is going to be a commentary on current world events.
 
I think it'll be interesting to see how they shape the story. The final few minutes of the finale did bring a lot of changes to the show, though!
 
Christopher said:
Briefly, under the influence of Red Kryptonite.




There are only so many basic ideas. What matters is the execution. It's been reported that the inspiration is Superman: Red Son, an Elseworlds graphic novel about an alternate world where Kal-El landed in the USSR and was raised within the Soviet system. Though he worked for a dictatorship, he wasn't evil himself and I think he ended up doing the right thing. Although if this is using the Black Kryptonite concept from Smallville and the subsequent comics, that would suggest the duplicate would be evil. So it's hard to say at this point.

In any case, I think it's safe to say that aligning the season 4 big bad with Russia is going to be a commentary on current world events.
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I recall "Smallville" did a episode were Clark was raised by Lionel Luthor in a alternate universe their final season. I don't know if they got that idea from the comics but I wonder if they did something like here and then you connect Lex or Lionel or maybe the mom to having Russian connections. Actually when you think about it things would have made more sense in this universe if Lex was President considering who we currently have but I know that train has already left the station, unless maybe they did that in a alternate universe.

Jason
 
That was Ultraman from Earth-3. They haven’t done a Ultragirl yet but the Earth-X One is similar.
 
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Kai "the spy" said:
Maybe, instead of accusing each other of sexism, we should remember that any lack of Superman appearances on the show has very real world reasons. The producers can't just put him in as they like, they need DC Entertainment's approval for each and every appearance.

Now, while there are exceptions, DC usually does not allow for two live-action versions of their characters to co-exist in different mediums at the same time. Superman's appearances in season 2 fell between the release of BvS and JL, so a time when DCEU Superman was considered dead. Now, after JL, DCEU Superman is alive again. It stands to reason that DC simply doesn't approve any more Superman appearances on "Supergirl" (or any other DCW show, for that matter).

So, yes, sure, sometimes it would make sense to have Superman on the show, and he's not there. But that is not the fault of the show and it's producers, and certainly isn't caused by some gender-political agenda.
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Except that there IS a gender political agenda on this show. And yes, I agree that Superman can't be in every episode, but when they write a crisis that would 100 percent get his attention, and ignore him, they are going to need to explain.

dodge said:
Most of us are, maybe you should too.
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Not really. The writers don't seem to do that, which is why they tend to show a chip on their shoulder. There is no better example of that than the ridiculous decision to have Supergirl beat Superman. That was the ultimate example of how this show does not get feminism. If you have to make a male character weak to make a female character look strong, then you only make the female character look weak. Superman is the ultimate hero. There is no way Supergirl would win against him if he was going all out. No chance. By having Superman so weakened, they just made Supergirl look weak.

When this show gets political, it's not very good. It crosses the line often. But when it doesn't get political, and actually just focuses on a hero that happens to be female (like the Wonder Woman appearances in the DC movies), it's fantastic. If this show just stopped with the political correctness and the shoving the left wing politics down people's throats, it could be the best of the DC TV shows.
 
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Except that there IS a gender political agenda on this show. And yes, I agree that Superman can't be in every episode, but when they write a crisis that would 100 percent get his attention, and ignore him, they are going to need to explain.
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1. Yes, the show has a gender political agenda, but it's not the reason why Superman doesn't show up more.

2. This is a TV show. Proper TV, not streaming or PayTV. So they have very strict rules about running time. Yes, it probably would be helpful to have a "he's dealing with Madagascar" comment in more episodes, but for the seconds that takes, some seconds at another spot of the episode have to be cut, which especially in those episodes dealing with a crisis can be crucial. So, they decide to do it just occasionally (like in the finale) and trust the audience to figure out for themselves that Superman probably has his own shit to deal with.
 
Honestly, I don't think they ever said that Supergirl was stronger than Superman or that she would automatically win any fight between them.

They just said that she won that one particular fight fair and square, not because Superman was impaired or anything. Doesn't mean it couldn't have gone the other way--or might not the next time they square off.

As I recall, they were pretty evenly matched. Kara managed to get in the decisive blow, but that doesn't mean she's significantly more powerful. Just that she won that fight.
 
It happened.

But if you could, you would be the Luthor who saved the world.
Silver Kryptonite.
That's a new one.
The whole time I thought I was fighting Zod.
But it didn't weaken me at all.
It might have.
No.
No, I was at full strength and you beat me.

Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield....pts.php?tv-show=supergirl-2015&episode=s02e22
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The red pills went insane.

Insecurity, meh.

Maybe girls process solar radiation more efficiently than boys possibly?

Or maybe Capitol City is sunnier than metropolis?

Or maybe they absorb Solar radiation mostly through their hair, and she has so much more hair than he does?

:)
 
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Superman is the ultimate hero. There is no way Supergirl would win against him if he was going all out. No chance.

I know I'm channeling my inner Penny, but I have just one question.

Why?
 
Greg Cox said:
Honestly, I don't think they ever said that Supergirl was stronger than Superman or that she would automatically win any fight between them.
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I checked on the exact words the last time this argument came up -- I'm sure it's somewhere back in this thread. Superman never said "stronger." He just said "you beat me."


They just said that she won that one particular fight fair and square, not because Superman was impaired or anything. Doesn't mean it couldn't have gone the other way--or might not the next time they square off.

As I recall, they were pretty evenly matched. Kara managed to get in the decisive blow, but that doesn't mean she's significantly more powerful. Just that she won that fight.
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No, an athletic 5'8" woman is unlikely to be physically stronger than a well-muscled 5'11" man, and assuming they both have their strength enhanced to the same degree by yellow sunlight, it would follow that Superman has greater physical strength. But as I've pointed out, physical strength is hardly the only factor that determines victory in a fight. Skill is more important than raw power, and Supergirl's DEO training gives her the edge in skill.

So no, Supergirl isn't stronger than Superman -- but I still think she would have a consistent advantage over him in a fight. If they were just arm-wrestling, if it were simply a test of raw strength, he'd probably win. But in actual combat, she's got better training. Especially now, after Mon-El taught her 30th-century cape-fu. (Which she should really teach to Clark sometime.)
 
IMO it's unlikely that Supergirl has greater raw strength than Superman, however it's entirely possible that she is a stronger fighter (better able to apply her super-strength) which was what was important to the situation at hand (going up against multiple combat-trained Kryptonians).
 
Smaller hands, means greater PSI per punch.

If they were poking each other with just one finger, it would be substantially more damaging, than all that their fists can effect.

;)
 
JanewayRulz! said:
Superman is the ultimate hero. There is no way Supergirl would win against him if he was going all out. No chance.

I know I'm channeling my inner Penny, but I have just one question.

Why?
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First, if you just look at the proportions, there is no way that larger person would lose to a smaller person. Superman exceeds Kara in strength, experience, size, and training. I realize that some people think a few sparring sessions with Alex would somehow matter, but let's not forget that Superman has taken on enemies far stronger than Kara.

That's not sexism. That's simple nature.

Superman has always been portrayed as the ultimate force for good. Supergirl is a spinoff, and has never been considered his equal. The only difference is that Supergirl, in modern times, doesn't hold back, and Superman does, which could lead to a perception that Supergirl could actually win. But when Superman goes all out, Supergirl couldn't stop him.

And no, Supergirl couldn't "beat him" either. Not if Superman was going all out. The show went out of its way to make it a point that Supergirl won legitimately. In fact, Superman's sole purpose in that episode was to lose to Kara and run around telling anyone who would listen that he lost.

All that did was weaken Kara and show that she needs Superman weakened to make her look good. That's bad writing, and writers with a chip on their shoulder.
 
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