Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over

[Tuskin38]

The Spore Drive.

Has been corrected.

 

[Longinus]

Has been corrected.

Yes. 'Let's not use this amazingly powerful technology because long term use might have some slight averse health effects for a single person." I'm sure the Klingons, the Dominion and the Borg would show similar restraint...

 

[dahj]

No just in general but if it was a policy then it is incorrect

Who is enforcing this supposed policy "in general"?
Where has it been applied exactly?

 

[Jinn]

Yes. 'Let's not use this amazingly powerful technology because long term use might have some slight averse health effects for a single person." I'm sure the Klingons, the Dominion and the Borg would show similar restraint...

It can also be used to jump into different universes. I'd imagine Starfleet would want to keep that a secret.

 

[Tuskin38]

It can also be used to jump into different universes. I'd imagine Starfleet would want to keep that a secret.

That doesn't stop the other powers from discovering it independently.

 

[Longinus]

It can also be used to jump into different universes. I'd imagine Starfleet would want to keep that a secret.

And considering that it is pretty amazing luck that no one else in the multiverse has ever developed this technology!

 

[Tuskin38]

And considering that it is pretty amazing luck that no one else in the multiverse has ever developed this technology!

You could say the same thing about Mirror O'Brian's inter-dimensional transporter.

 

[Vger23]

Silly Baby Boomer... that's not how it's done today. You have to gather up a virtual mob of people on social media who wouldn't ever watch let alone spend money on the IP in any way and work them up into a tizzy. That's how you effect change in the modern era.

Hey now! I'm a Gen-X'er!!!

 

[Jinn]

That doesn't stop the other powers from discovering it independently.

Sure, but we just have to hope they don't Honestly, same can be said for Genesis or any other somewhat dangerous thing.

And considering that it is pretty amazing luck that no one else in the multiverse has ever developed this technology!

To be fair, this is a danger that comes with introducing a multiverse with an infinite number of universes and ways to travel between them. They were also pretty lucky that no alt-unvierse people with inter-dimensional transporters jump in and out all the time. The spore drive is really no different from that. (ETA: Yeah, what Tuskin says...)

 

[Vger23]

The Picard facepalm that rides across the internet says this analysis is not entirely correct. Kirk and Co have been pop culture icons for longer, but that does not preclude the possibility that the later series (or indeed the movie era version of TOS) does not in fact also carry a similar weight. Wrath of Khan is only five years older than TNG, yet carries weight. The whole of the eighties and nineties are becoming cultural touchstones in precisely the way the sixties and seventies did...and Trek was absolutely a part of that. Your definition of niche is interesting in regards to what qualifies, but since Charmed is getting a reboot, I think your overall assumption is flawed...if the ‘also ran’ to Buffy is not too niche to be considered culturally relevant to modern audiences, then TNG certainly isn’t.
It is also time to consider the use of the term spin off in context....if TNG and co are indeed spin offs, not simply part of the whole, which can be an inference, then they are spin-offs in the way Frasier or NCIS are spin offs....they ran to greater success and for a greater length than their progenitors. I am not saying that means that they now over-shadow TOS, but they did eclipse it for a time, and the balance of interest is way more complex than a simple ‘TOS is Best’ assumption can reflect. TOS seems dated to me....and I am in my late thirties, goodness knows how it looks to younger people who are currently in the throes of an eighties/nineties cultural revival. The later shows, VOY in particular, are more likely to be viewed as something modern and fit in well...VOY, for all its faults, is possibly the most timeless piece of Trek ever made from a visual and casting perspective.
The love in for sixties Trek is perfectly understandable from many perspectives, but it is not necessarily what people think it is. This is why Chris Pine is playing the young version of movies era Kirk, and not a version of Kirk as he was in the sixties. The memory of a thing, even in culture, is not same as what the thing truly was.
This part of the problem the showrunners had on DSC. Trek has had ‘minority’ groups in positions of actual power and as show leads before there was a hashtag to stick on them, so it’s a hard sell to use it as a thing in DSC. This political slant doesn’t offend me by disagreeing with my political views (as it doesn’t) it does offend me by being stupid and dishonest....I followed Sisko through the wormhole, and Janeway across the Delta Quadrant, so this whole ‘woke’ thing depends on a cultural obfuscation of Treks past. But that’s modus operandi for some areas these days....Ghost Busters has to be reframed as a misogynist text in order to sell a reboot (it isn’t, it just mostly stars dudes of the time, which is not the same thing) that wasted its cast on a terrible story...the original Charmed is somehow not as ‘feminist’ as the new version, when I think most people who watched the original would happily point out that that is very possibly an impossible thing for it to be. (I won’t even mention The Craft, which is very obviously Charmeds greatest inspiration, or early Buffy, given Whedons recent revelations and how Buffy went a bit meh after series five or so.)
We have to reframe the past as something it is t to make the present seem ‘better’ by comparison...and this is a technique that does not work when (a) stuff is still in living memory and (b) it’s available to actually watch. It’s a strange world when even Sex And The City and Friends are under attack (though friends I can kind of accept...I always found the lack of African Americans odd, but then my extremely limited recollections of The Cosby Show suggest American TV had a serious segregation hangover. But hey, I am not American, so all the characters are The Other to me anyway.... )
This is why I am glad there will be a change in show runners...because the current ones didn’t know if they were rebelling against a rewritten history, a real history, or cosying up to either the truth or the lie for brand recognition. Then they tied their colours to a very shaken mast. It’s possible they found out that the better Trek in terms of audience share gains wasn’t TOS after all, because that nostalgia market audience doesn’t necessarily embrace streaming T.V.
We will see.

There's a big difference between having a popular meme vs being an engrained element in popular culture.

One is TNG's current position, the other is not.

And I LOVE TNG. I love pretty much all Star Trek! But, I'm also realistic about TOS's place in the world and in our culture vs. the place of the rest of the franchise.

It's not even close. I really just isn't.

 

[starsuperion]

Who is enforcing this supposed policy "in general"?
Where has it been applied exactly?

The BBC for one. Star wars TFA is another example. Also Marvel comics studio has issued statements that only a person of the same race or gender can write those characters better. They hired based on that. They also have a slew of comics that got cancelled because they hired on that assumption, and not on talent alone.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Sure, but we just have to hope they don't Honestly, same can be said for Genesis or any other somewhat dangerous thing.

Don’t the Klingons of this era have that mind sifter gadget Kor threatened Kirk with in the one with Kor in it? Or has that not been invented yet? Because the Klingons could just zap someone in the brain for the spore technology because they know it exists thanks to Lorca and his showboating... (in one of the coolest scenes in the season btw)

 

[Jinn]

Don’t the Klingons of this era have that mind sifter gadget Kor threatened Kirk with in the one with Kor in it? Or has that not been invented yet? Because the Klingons could just zap someone in the brain for the spore technology because they know it exists thanks to Lorca and his showboating... (in one of the coolest scenes in the season btw)

Well, I don't they know how it works, just that Starfleet is in possession of a starship that is able to teleport itself to other places. They don't know who exactly serves on it let alone who has specifi knowledge. A large part of the ship's crew probably knows no more than "something with spores", so unless they get Stamets, Burnham, Tilly or some of the people working for Stamets they won't have a whole lot to use.

 

[fireproof78]

Sure, but we just have to hope they don't Honestly, same can be said for Genesis or any other somewhat dangerous thing.

Genesis. Thalaron (sp?) radiation. Curing aging with transporter. The list goes on.

 

[starsuperion]

Hey now! I'm a Gen-X'er!!!

Me too. Great era to be born in. We celebrated diversity without the focus, and virtue signals. We accepted it, until people made our gains go in reverse by focusing on race, gender, and sexuality thus creating a divide. If they just left it alone, progress was being made silently and with respect. Now, it's all out war. Social media has corrupted our gains, and given a few bigoted ignorant people the loudest voices, which gives us all bad names. Tho to be fair, the SJW crowd paint everyone who doesnt think as they do, or has legitimate reasons with the same brush. Which is also a problem.

Consider the casual Star Wars viewer., to them, not steeped in lore, the storm trooper were thought of as clones of Jango Fett. But once TFA hit, if someone simply asked what is up with a black Storm Trooper, not knowing the back story, they immediately were called racist. This for simply asking what that is all about. This is how so called "modern-day" attitudes have gone. Knee jerk, and always on identity politics alert. Its sad and unfortunate really, because real true honest unbiased debates get shut down for the most pitiful reasonings.

 

[Vger23]

I will say something that somethings that might seem like it's two fan fic like doesn't have to come off as bad fan fic. Their are ways to embrace canon and continuity without feeling like it's something only the hardcore fans understand. If you wanted to tell the story about lets say the the fall of the Federation post Dominion War. You don't need to really need to know what the Dominion war was or even really what the Federation is. All you really need to get across to the audience is that society has fallen apart and you have this spaceship trying to fix it or whatever the main setting and concept of the show is.

Jason

I'm not sure I can think of any possible Star Trek premise that would interest me less than "The Fall of the Federation in the Post-Dominion War Timeframe."

Like, I'd rather see "Jersey Shore- Risa" as a Star Trek show than that.

 

[eschaton]

That doesn't stop the other powers from discovering it independently.

Sadly, Trek has a long, long history of viewing tech as one-time McGuffins that never happen again, rather than the inevitable result of a steadily-expanding knowledge base.

To be fair, this is a danger that comes with introducing a multiverse with an infinite number of universes and ways to travel between them. They were also pretty lucky that no alt-unvierse people with inter-dimensional transporters jump in and out all the time. The spore drive is really no different from that. (ETA: Yeah, what Tuskin says...)

Not the same. Inter-dimensional transporters don't threaten to destroy the whole multiverse. In contrast, unless Stamets' spore vision of Culber was lying, all it takes is one ISS Charon-like ship to kill everyone everywhere. Given an infinite number of universes, each of which is close to infinite in scope and has billions of years of history, the liklihood of someone building such a ship becomes a certainty.

 

[Jinn]

Also Marvel comics studio has issued statements that only a person of the same race or gender can write those characters better.

Would you mind providing a link to that statement? Just looking at the Legacy releases I already found All-New Wolverine which starred Laura/X-23 and was written by Tom Taylor who is male according to his Marvel Database page.

 

[dahj]

The BBC for one. Star wars TFA is another example.

Now please define (or better yet cite) the policy they're employing.

 

[Jinn]

Not the same. Inter-dimensional transporters don't threaten to destroy the whole multiverse. In contrast, unless Stamets' spore vision of Culber was lying, all it takes is one ISS Charon-like ship to kill everyone everywhere. Given an infinite number of universes, each of which is close to infinite in scope and has billions of years of history, the liklihood of someone building such a ship becomes a certainty.

Fair enough, I was only trying to address the concern that other powers could develop universe-jumping tech. The whole "multiverse gets destroyed when spore network dies" is something that I didn't particularly liked either. If it helps, just imagine the Q saved the multiverse everytime someone screwed up that bad. But yeah, that was kinda bad.