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Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over

I get too aggro discussing Discovery. The amount of things they did poorly, and the pass some people give these things hurts my soul. If it was only 5 or 6 ridiculous things, maybe it could be overlooked, but dozens upon dozens... Klingons eat people, and also apparently have two penises. And to end a war, give someone a bomb to blow up their planet if they go against her? Bam, EMP. Kill her. Disable the bomb. War continues and they hate the Federation more for the almost genocide of their species.
 
I was really excited that Lorca might be a complex character making hard choices, but, nope, he has to be revealed as a cartoon villain because he's not a traditional Trek white hat. Hugely, hugely disappointing
While I completely share your opinion on Lorca, there were a lot of people among the fandom decrying him for not being a traditional Star Trek white hat and demanding just the sort of bullshit "explanation" for it that we got. When you try to please fans, you fail, because they don't want consistent things. Trying to please fans and do something new is even harder. I would prefer it if they focused less on the fans alleged wants and more on tightening up the plotting and reducing the fanwank to below the chaffing line. This is why I'd like someone from outside the franchise as show runner; less baggage.
 
It isn't cannibalism.

This is awesome! I'm remembering all of the debates this honestly inexcusably dumb show stirred up that I repressed in order to move on with my life.

YOU ARE CORRECT. CANNIBALISM IS EATING ONE'S OWN SPECIES. I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS GRIEVOUS ERROR.

Corrected version: all of the consumption of sentient beings, which is absolutely not referred to as cannibalism, was utterly disgusting.
 
Corrected version: all of the consumption of sentient beings, which is absolutely not referred to as cannibalism, was utterly disgusting.

If this is about Georgiou, the Klingons who ate her were out of food and starving, it was never said on Discovery that this is normal practice for the Klingons.

As for the Terran Empire, they are Xenophobic, and it was already established that the Kelpians are a pray species even on their own home world, so why wouldn't the TE do it?
 
If this is about Georgiou, the Klingons who ate her were out of food and starving, it was never said on Discovery that this is normal practice for the Klingons.

As for the Terran Empire is extremely Xenophobic, and it was already established that the Kelpians are a pray species even on their own home world.

I'm not saying they didn't attempt to explain it. I'm saying it was disgusting.
 
Pretty sure that was the point. They wanted you to feel negative about it.

Yeah, one instance of that would have been fine. I guess. Four or five, and I was wondering if CBS needed to send the FBI over to the writers' homes.
 
While I completely share your opinion on Lorca, there were a lot of people among the fandom decrying him for not being a traditional Star Trek white hat and demanding just the sort of bullshit "explanation" for it that we got. When you try to please fans, you fail, because they don't want consistent things. Trying to please fans and do something new is even harder. I would prefer it if they focused less on the fans alleged wants and more on tightening up the plotting and reducing the fanwank to below the chaffing line. This is why I'd like someone from outside the franchise as show runner; less baggage.

Agreed. I don't even mind if the powers-that-be decide Star Trek shouldn't grow up -- it's given us many years of quality entertainment as a family-friendly franchise -- but I would really appreciate if the showrunners would stop pretending it has. Adding profanity, gore and nudity while the storytelling remains Saturday afternoon serial just seems juvenile and dumb. Pick a path and go with it.
 
If this is about Georgiou, the Klingons who ate her were out of food and starving, it was never said on Discovery that this is normal practice for the Klingons.

As for the Terran Empire, they are Xenophobic, and it was already established that the Kelpians are a pray species even on their own home world, so why wouldn't the TE do it?

What happened to Tyler/Voc? Was Voc in Tyler's body? Was Tyler a copy of Tyler in Voc's body? Why did Voc's true love kill him instead of kill Tyler to save him? I'm sure there are answers to this, great ones even, ones that make a lot of sense. But it was hardly conveyed well to the audience the 3 different times they tried to explain it. The way this ended, was it satisfying? What was the ultimate point of the Voc character going through this?

Anyway, the two examples you mentioned in response to me again are just a few of too many ridiculous choices they made that served very little purpose. The Klingons are starving. They should eat their enemies body, and joke about it. Why? Why not just never bring that up? Or why are they trapped again? This is the leader's ship, right? Why are they stranded? None of the houses that supported T'Kuvma could bring them food? But that guy just came and did just that... What?

Two penises... what? Why? For the joke?
 
When you try to please fans, you fail, because they don't want consistent things. Trying to please fans and do something new is even harder. I would prefer it if they focused less on the fans alleged wants and more on tightening up the plotting and reducing the fanwank to below the chaffing line. This is why I'd like someone from outside the franchise as show runner; less baggage.
This.
 
It seemed like the writers and CBS wanted a show along the lines of Game of Thrones/Westworld/The Walking Dead, but didn't really know how to translate Star Trek into something akin to those shows.

Game of Thrones would've seen Voc dead in the Mirror Universe when Michael had to transport him into the vacuum of space to maintain her cover. The data she smuggled off on his body ultimately resulted in nothing being gained. If they had actually had her go through with killing Voc/Tyler, now that would've been a powerful, bold, brave scene.
 
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