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TLJ Actor Kelly Marie Tran (Rose Tico) Deletes Instagram After Abuse

The idea that arms dealers were abandoning the Resistance in favor of the First Order, as suggested by DJ's betrayal, seemed significant as a possible explanation for how short on materiel the Resistance was. You got to see the arms dealers rolling in dough.

But, yeah, this thread is about Tran, not TLJ. Apologies for forgetting that again.
 
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EmoBorg said:
I am sad to hear about what happened to her. But i did find her adventure with Finn in The Last Jedi pointless. The movie would have been better without it.
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It developed Finn as a character and gave him actual motivation to actually stay with the Rebellion. Before his only motivation was protecting Rey, which is his main focus at the beginning of TLJ. Unlike Han, who filled a similar role in the OT, Finn actually had motivation to stay and fight. Han just saved Luke and decided to stick around because the plot needed him to stay. He never had a defining moment where he realized the importance of what the Rebels were doing. Then the next movie he's a trusted leader in the Rebellion and we never really got to see him grow from a smuggler to a hero. The OT was fairly simple and while I adore the OT and Star Wars we were cheated of seeing vital moments of his life. Really the only character with an arc is Luke and he's fully prepared to join the Rebels after the death of his uncle and aunt.
 
Awesome Possum said:
Then the next movie he's a trusted leader in the Rebellion and we never really got to see him grow from a smuggler to a hero.
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Not even that. Han’s still trying to abandon ship and save his own skin at the start of ESB. The only reason he hasn’t run off already, is the combination of the Falcon being buggered and Luke going missing.

He somehow ranked up and got with the game between waking up during the prologue of ROTJ, and the briefing before Endor. Apparently redemption via sex strikes again!
 
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Even if you put all the character development aside I still think that the "detour" of Rose and Finn was important to the overall theme. Like with Poe in the battle at the start we see our heroes attempt something in good faith but the ultimate outcome proves to be disastrous at worst or unimpactful at best. It shows us characters who actually fail. I mean, how often do you see that in Star Wars outside the Han rescue attempt in episode 6.
 
I know this is not a thread about Rose Tico, let alone TLJ, but since the inexcusable behaviour and harassment displayed by this vocal group of assholes is an escalation of their conviction that her part – and everything surrounding it – should not have been part of their Star Wars. So I cannot help it, and I have to point out that, to me, Kelly Marie Tran's is amazing and her part in TLJ is something I very much cherish.

First off, the detour itself is an essential scene for TLJ – it gave us a literal detour to show us more of the galaxy. More of the galaxy that we're supposed to care about, and more of the galaxy outside the bubble of the Empire/FO and the Rebels/Resistance, and more of the galaxy that is unusual to see. More emotionally, more visually. It even gave us Mark Hamil's best cameo to date. One thing I had actually liked about the prequels is that they showed more, whereas the original trilogy only had the Cloud City to offer, and even that was quickly turned into more corridors for the story to take place. We barely got any sense of how people lived in that galaxy at large. Plotwise, it was also the essential wild goose chase that was an integral part of the moral of the story; although that was too dark for me to genuinely like.

Rose Tico did more, she showed us the people from the lower decks, and more than that – one of the many of who seemed to be coming from yet another part of the larger world Canto Bight gave us a glimpse of. All we've been given so far are heroes, villains, royalties, etc. as all the people doing work behind the scenes for the Rebellion or Resistance were relegated to background people who can randomly die. TFA murdered a whole village, but you can't say anything about the villagers besides that they were murdered. Could have some of them been star map drafters working against the FO with von Sydow's character? You can't really tell. A glaring omission, because if someone is with the Resistance, they are literally risking their life even if they are the person who cleans the toilets, so the very fact that they are on board means that they are seriously committed to changing the galaxy. And Rose Tico came to fill that gap.

She's also the perfect counterpart to Finn, who first serve to humanise and give face to the Storm Troopers, who had so far been a faceless nameless enemy with no particular story. OK, we do know some of them were a bunch of Jango Fetts, but other than that.

So unlike these folks that attacked her personally, I can't wait for her appearance in the next Star Wars, and I hope she has a larger role to play, counter to all that uncalled for crap that got dumped on her.
 
Hela said:
Not even that. Han’s still trying to abandon ship and save his own skin at the start of ESB. The only reason he hasn’t run off already, is the combination of the Falcon being buggered and Luke going missing.

He somehow ranked up and got with the game between waking up during the prologue of ROTJ, and the briefing before Endor. Apparently redemption via sex strikes again!
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Not to delve off into the Han tangent too much, but it should be noted that he was serving with the Rebellion for three years after the destruction of the first Death Star at that point, so he wasn't just some Hannie-Come-Lately who was only lingering around because the Falcon was old and busted, he was a committed leader in the Rebellion who was trading strategy and advice with the Rebel commander, General Rieekan (who said he valued him as a leader), and going out on missions that had nothing to do with saving his friends.

Princess Leia even said she thought Han had decided to remain with them, and that he was dedicated to the cause. The only reason he had to leave was because one of Jabba's bounty hunters had finally caught up to him again ("Well, the bounty hunter we ran into on on Ord Mantell changed my mind") and he had a death mark on his head, so he had to pay Jabba off or else.
 
EmoBorg said:
But where did it lead too. Finn on the the First Order ship with Rose and getting caught. Maybe the story could have been re written without that casino planet scene.
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Maybe. But the larger point is that the galaxy is a big place, which Finn has not experienced. His experience has been limited to the First Order and the fight with the Resistance. Now, he gets to see what life is like outside of both of those things.
 
Locutus of Bored said:
Not to delve off into the Han tangent too much, but it should be noted that he was serving with the Rebellion for three years after the destruction of the first Death Star at that point, so he wasn't just some Hannie-Come-Lately who was only lingering around because the Falcon was old and busted, he was a committed leader in the Rebellion who was trading strategy and advice with the Rebel commander, General Rieekan (who said he valued him as a leader), and going out on missions that had nothing to do with saving his friends.

Princess Leia even said she thought Han had decided to remain with them, and that he was dedicated to the cause. The only reason he had to leave was because one of Jabba's bounty hunters had finally caught up to him again ("Well, the bounty hunter we ran into on on Ord Mantell changed my mind") and he had a death mark on his head, so he had to pay Jabba off or else.
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I think he was also trying to split because he was falling in love with Leia.
 
I have said it before, but the "pointlessness" of the Canto Bight stuff is, was, and remains the entire reason it was included in the first place, and it baffles, saddens, and disturbs me that, for whatever reason, people can't see that.
 
I'm baffled, saddened, and disturbed by the criticism of the Canto Bight stuff becauseL TJ establishes from the get-go that the Canto Bight mission shouldn't be happening, so the fact that it ultimately doesn't mean anything and is a failure ought not to have been all that surprising.The

The Canto Bight stuff is pointless because it was meant to be pointless; criticizing it for delivering on its intent is like ordering and receiving a medium-rare steak in a restaurant and then criticizing the chef for giving you exactly what you ordered.
 
DigificWriter said:
The Canto Bight stuff is pointless because it was meant to be pointless; criticizing it for delivering on its intent is like ordering and receiving a medium-rare steak in a restaurant and then criticizing the chef for giving you exactly what you ordered.
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Not to sound repetitive, but welcome to fandom. Unfortunately, this is very common in discussions about films. Whatever is wanted isn't really wanted once delivered.
 
I think the Casino stuff was a interesting concept. A kind of fancy version of Mos Eisley where the scum and villianary are rich people. It just didn't really go anywhere interesting with the idea but I think that is linked to the fact that the whole space chase and anything connected to is simply a boring story idea. Especially when we got the more exciting stuff from Emprie with Han flying through Asteroids and then parking in the big mouth alien.
As for Kelly Marie Tran I think she did a terrific job in the role. A everyperson type of character which you never see much of or at all in "Star Wars." Some good idea's, though Finn was both terrible the entire movie both in character and acting, but she was very good. I can't wait to see what she does next in her career. Does anyone know about any movies or shows she will be in?

Jason
 
DigificWriter said:
Again, it was SUPPOSED to be pointless; that was the point of the sequence.
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I don’t think it was. It was essential character development, the whole point was to give Finn an actual reason to fight other than protecting Rey who doesn’t need his help. I don’t think you understood the movie or the writer/director’s intent on any level.
 
Awesome Possum said:
I don’t think it was. It was essential character development, the whole point was to give Finn an actual reason to fight other than protecting Rey who doesn’t need his help. I don’t think you understood the movie or the writer/director’s intent on any level.
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It was pointless in that it ultimately had no plot relevance, which was, ironically, the point of it.
 
Spot261 said:
The Give Us Legends Facebook page is currently carrying a statement that they completely deny any connection to the bullying....
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Awesome Possum said:
It developed Finn as a character and gave him actual motivation to actually stay with the Rebellion. Before his only motivation was protecting Rey, which is his main focus at the beginning of TLJ. Unlike Han, who filled a similar role in the OT, Finn actually had motivation to stay and fight. Han just saved Luke and decided to stick around because the plot needed him to stay. He never had a defining moment where he realized the importance of what the Rebels were doing. Then the next movie he's a trusted leader in the Rebellion and we never really got to see him grow from a smuggler to a hero. The OT was fairly simple and while I adore the OT and Star Wars we were cheated of seeing vital moments of his life. Really the only character with an arc is Luke and he's fully prepared to join the Rebels after the death of his uncle and aunt.
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Marve'sl canon Han Solo miniseries deals with Han's decision to stay with the Rebels between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back.
 
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