Nah. I've got 750 hours of episodic Trek, plus a pale clone in the form of "Orville."
I'm just fine with them trying and pushing a different format. I have no need for more of what we've already beaten to death.
Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over
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Nah. I've got 750 hours of episodic Trek, plus a pale clone in the form of "Orville."
I'm just fine with them trying and pushing a different format. I have no need for more of what we've already beaten to death.
It's a lot more expensive to have to do the marketing twice. Airing it in one block will help CBS keep their costs down.
Perception vs. reality is very hard work.
Yes and no. When it comes to large corporations, it's not just that something is profitable but frequently that something else wouldn't be *more* profitable. Plenty of well received and profitable product lines, shows (SYFY is infamous for that), ideas, etc have been nixed when a company decides that those same resources (time, people, and money) would be better spent on something else that would generate even more money. With CBS All Access' lackluster lineup sporting no serious contenders to outshine DISCO in the forseeable future, I agree that in this case that's not a worry and that just being profitable to any degree is good enough at the moment.
Ugh. I mean, seriously? What a complete mess.
Just finish this out with one more season and then stop screwing with canon and. Try. A. Post-Voyager. Series. This prequel crap has simply got to stop.
Just finish this out with one more season and then stop screwing with canon and. Try. A. Post-Voyager. Series. This prequel crap has simply got to stop.
"Has to?"
If you have concrete and detailed financial and/or statistical information about DISCO, I think it'd be great if you linked it. All I've seen is typical broad terms marketing spin so far from CBS. Most networks are generous in their praise right up until they cancel a show or make major changes like changing showrunners to not further reduce the profitability of a possibly troubled production. Statements like being the most popular show on a streaming service with no other comparable "new" offerings and a relatively lackluster older catalog that is frequently available elsewhere doesn't mean much. Giving numbers for new subscribers when the first week is free without tracking how many total there are from month to month and how many of those new ones end up staying doesn't help much either. Just blindy swallowing offered marketing spin without sniffing it first is only marginally better than equating personal opinion with fact. The only thing we do know for sure that it made enough money to not justify breaking the myriad of contracts they have with Netflix, other providers, and the cast/crew by cancelling before the second season. We'll see what happens if the sweet deal they have with Netflix where they reportedly paid for the production of season 1 sight unseen leaving zero risk for CBS and only potential gain continues now that the consumer base has something on which to base their opinion on.
It also keeps people subscribed for longer. If they take a break, some portion of the folks who tuned in for the first half will let their subscription lapse (whether on purpose or accidentally).
I personally haven't seen an informal poll myself let alone an actual statistically significant and properly constructed one. About the most that I can say is that the hardcore fanbase is very divided.
Agreed (and said as much above).
A Post-Voyager series would be even less popular, as it would require new viewers to do research.
Best bet would be an entirely new universe/timeline
The handful of stories they had in Season 1 weren't worth carrying over into multiple episodes in my opinion. Episodic story telling would've been preferable. At least the lameness would've ended after one episode rather than carry through the whole season. DS9 and Enterprise handled serialization much better. Discovery is a clusterfunk.
I'm tired of prequels too. Something set after TOS era or TNG era simply needs to happen. We need post Kirk or post Picard/Sisko/Janeway. Anything to move forward instead of backwards. I realise post Kirk would be a prequel to TNG but at least it's a sequel to something!
I can't see Discovery lasting that long. I think they'll wrap it up by Season 5 and move onto something else. Hopefully not another prequel.
If you have to ask, there won't be any convincing you that the franchise is in, at the very least, a transitional stage.
Or separate fanboism from actual financials. Beyond didn't do well and Discovery was greenlit before the negative feedback of those box office returns were known. So the bean-counters thought it was a good idea to imitate the look and feel of vibe of Kelvin-Trek right at the time when the public was starting to tire of it.
The root of the problem is the CBS/Paramount split and the power-struggles within Viacom. Every major studio wants a tentpole franchise but you can't build one when the underlying franchise is split up like a child in a custody battle.
Once JJ left for Star Wars it should have been evident that new blood was needed. Instead they took the lazy road forward by promoting underlings. Having Kurtzman control Discovery is part of that overarching pattern of coasting on the vapors of JJ Abrams.
Even bringing in Tarantino isn't as bold as you'd think it is, because his project will amount to nothing more than a one-off what-if type storyline.
There is no clear vision forward.
Why? How much research into TOS did new viewers need to enjoy TNG? Just set it long enough after the TNG era that a clean slate is available. It's pretty easy to sum up stuff like the Dominion War in one sentence if somewhere down the line the Jem'Hadar show up and decide to slaughter everyone in sight. The first real TOS cross over apart from Bones' cameo in the pilot didn't happen until near the end of Season 3 with Sarek and that didn't require much explanation nor indeed did Spock and Scotty's guest appearances. Their whole back story was rolled out before the opening credits began.
TNG liberally used the Klingons, Romulans and Vulcans and no one went scrambling back into the vaults of TOS to understand who and what they were. They were simply alien races from Star Trek who had history with the Federation/Starfleet. Same as it would be if the Borg, the Cardassians or the Ferengi showed up.
5 seasons isn't considered long? It's two years longer than TOS and one year longer than Enterprise. I thought TV shows had to sink or swim fast in this day and age.
Forgive me for saying, but this post is not making a whole lot of sense to me. How is the franchise in any more of a transitional stage now than it has been for the past 15 years?
Pointing to beyond not doing as well as it was hoped to do at the box office hardly indicates that the franchise is in trouble. If it were in trouble, we would not have a series and two movies at various stages in the development phase.
So once again, while I appreciate your attempt to discredit me by calling me a fanboy, you've done absolutely nothing but to show that this is your opinion, simply because you don't like the direction the franchise has gone in. And my argument is there is a big difference between your feelings and reality. I know that can be difficult, but it is true.
