Aren't NDAs which last for at least a few years generally par for the course in Hollywood? You don't see many people trash talk productions they leave, even under bad terms, after all.
Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over
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Aren't NDAs which last for at least a few years generally par for the course in Hollywood? You don't see many people trash talk productions they leave, even under bad terms, after all.
But that's what "#metoo" is about. It's women declaring that they, too, have been subjected to sexual harassment, assault, or rape — i.e., illegal activities. Without allegations of such things, it doesn't really fit.
Yeah, that was a good one. Not deep, as you say, but still probably the mid-season high point, before things started falling apart.
Among other things, #metoo is about people taking sexual advantage of others in the workplace, which the casting couch is.
Just because criminal charges haven't been filed doesn't mean nothing inappropriate happened or is alleged to have happened. Google Joss Whedon #MeToo - there has been a significant backlash against him.
Just because criminal charges haven't been filed doesn't mean nothing inappropriate happened or is alleged to have happened. Google Joss Whedon #MeToo - there has been a significant backlash against him.
IMO, at this point it doesn't matter either way. STD has defined itself based on S1. I don't think this is the same situation as Enterprise where someone like Manny Coto will come in and 'fix' the show in the eleventh hour (even though it was too late for Enterprise). This is a streaming series with an 8mil+ budget per episode. These are some high stakes.
There's a strong chance they are just rearranging the deck chairs here, but if STD fails and it results with Star Trek finally moving away from Kurtzman and the Bad Robot people, it might actually be a good thing for the franchise.
ST desperately needs a fresh vision. Star Trek 2009 was a GREAT reboot and won over the general public (Star Trek was finally 'Cool' and mainstream again)....and then they ruined it. It's time for some new blood to take the reigns and do a Post-Voyager series. The STO team, for example, does such a great job with their take on ST, and I could see their work gelling so well with general audiences.
Isaacs was wasted on STD. The man just exudes such a commanding presence. He could have been this generation's Picard if he was given the opportunity to play the Captain of this series, not a throwaway Trump-Proxy villain.
I guess the writers felt it necessary to "Make the Empire Glorious again... " Thank goodness Harbarts and Berg are gone, and the House of Cards is collapsing. I wonder who will be next.
Not everything is about politics... and you'd be surprised.
I've had some pretty heated (non-political) fights with people (who are liberal) where the more I tried to diffuse an argument, the worse it got. On the political end, though, I was pro-Hillary while most of my friends were pro-Bernie. I learned how to pick my battles.
Turnover half-way through a season can't be good for the show, right? I mean the biggest knock on DSC, I think, was it's obvious muddled-ness, going in different directions several different times in the season. Like there were maybe four different mini-seasons, and Burnham's supposed arc is in there, I guess, but hard to see (and I am an English major of long ago, trained to read into things!).
It happens all the time. Come to Ontario, where STD is filmed
We just elected a Conservative Majority Government (led by Doug Ford), and the Liberals (led by Kathleen Wynne) are in such a mess that they've actually lost official party status and were destroyed by the election! It's hilarious.
Yeah, so the nature of conflict knows no partisanship. Conflict consumes all. In front of and behind the camera.
Speaking of behind the camera: I wonder which episodes Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg wrote?
Speaking of behind the camera: I wonder which episodes Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg wrote?
Eh by now most the episodes are probably mostly written, I doubt it will effect much.
Dear lord, no. STO is even more fanwanky than DSC is purported to be.
My thoughts at the moment are that this is a good thing. I love Discovery (in spite of some of its writing and Klingon designd issues) and want it to do well. However, if the departure really is due to bullying, I'm glad it's been taken seriously. Even if the direction of the show suffers from this, I will enjoy it much more knowing that bullying behaviour is being called out and acted upon.
We live in a world where some people happen to be in positions of greater power and influence than others, and some of those take advantage of that in one way or another. Abuses of power can come in many forms, but whatever that form, it needs to be accountable and stopped. If a show like Star Trek fails to do that, what hope it's there for a decent working environment in the creative industry?
We live in a world where some people happen to be in positions of greater power and influence than others, and some of those take advantage of that in one way or another. Abuses of power can come in many forms, but whatever that form, it needs to be accountable and stopped. If a show like Star Trek fails to do that, what hope it's there for a decent working environment in the creative industry?
Supposed 'fanwank' is the least of STD's problems honestly.
Sadly, STD's "fanwank," despite the execution of it being terrible, is one of it's only saving graces. I can't say I'd be interested in watching S2, if Pike and crew weren't involved. I'm sure the network obviously knew the potential audience it could bring in to STD if the Enterprise was featured. It's especially evident through the manner in which it was teased in the season finale. Bringing in Spock and Kirk will be the next desperate move they make I'll bet.
Well if they need a new showrunner since Kurtzman is proably a short term fix they can always hire Alan Peters. Finally in season 3 we can get the real defintive Axanar story told.
Actually it does make me wonder about any new show runner's views on the ole prime universe or not prime universe question. You know it's going to come up and the forum is going to be swarmed with canon debates yet again! Just something to look forward to!
Jason
Actually it does make me wonder about any new show runner's views on the ole prime universe or not prime universe question. You know it's going to come up and the forum is going to be swarmed with canon debates yet again! Just something to look forward to!Jason
And I was so close to retirement!
By the time they decided to bring Manny Coto on, it was past time to "fix" Enterprise. It was time to put it down.
Can't argue with that. I don't think these kids know how to steer.
You had me, then you lost me. Abrams Era Trek has been nuggets of cool stuff in a vat of shit. The only thing I liked about Beyond was the ability to shut it off once it became too stupid to bear anymore. It was the first Trek film I didn't bother to see in the cinema, and I'm thankful I didn't waste the money.
ETA: Nice! I didn't realise Goldsman was given a cardboard box to pack, too! Glad to see him gone as well.
I'd love to see Discovery rebooted, dismissing the first execrable season as some mad fever dream of whatever character they choose, and start over.
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Well if they need a new showrunner since Kurtzman is proably a short term fix they can always hire Alan Peters. Finally in season 3 we can get the real defintive Axanar story told.
If you want to reduce behind-the-scenes drama and reprehensible personal behavior (not to mention poor writing), Alec Peters is the last person you'd want to look to...
Oy!!
I don't know. "Fear of the Walking Dead" rebooted and became a whole new thing in 6 episodes. Bring in new uniforms. Blow up the ship thus giving them a new ship with new sets. Kill a few characters and add some new ones. Establish a new Arc and just dump the new Klingons and maybe just say we aren't prime Trek anymore opening up all sorts of new changes to the universe that people can't predict.
Jason
