The writers shamelessly killed off Picard's nephew to remove any and all possibility that a privileged white male could grow up and develop a new thread of the Star Trek story. Imagine Picard's nephew rising through the Academy and doing great and terrible things. They did and hated the thought of it. They wanted the usual victim groups of the political left to be represented as the protagonists .. as evidenced by the latest series. Think about all the TNG episodes that used the sci fi platform to lecture the audience on social and climate based issues .. and you'll realise that I'm correct.
Does anyone care that they killed Picard's family in Generations?
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The writers shamelessly killed off Picard's nephew to remove any and all possibility that a privileged white male could grow up and develop a new thread of the Star Trek story. Imagine Picard's nephew rising through the Academy and doing great and terrible things. They did and hated the thought of it. They wanted the usual victim groups of the political left to be represented as the protagonists .. as evidenced by the latest series. Think about all the TNG episodes that used the sci fi platform to lecture the audience on social and climate based issues .. and you'll realise that I'm correct.
I must have missed the white supremacy episode.
1. I do not care as someone watching the movie
2. I do find it surprising in the 24th century smoke alarms no longer exist in French wineries.
2. I do find it surprising in the 24th century smoke alarms no longer exist in French wineries.
It must make you shit bricks that there are over 1 billion brown people in India,1 billion not so white people in China and over 1 billion brown people in Africa.
Get over it!
Terra Prime forever!...Er maybe
Picard's brother had a thing against modern technology.
By the 24th century smoke alarms are over 400 years old. Thats like expecting someone who hates modern modes of tranportation to refuse to use a horse and cart cos it has wheels.
Some people are just that stubborn.
I would think it would be a requirement for his long standing family business for insurance purposes. Whether intentional or not Robert would come across as a selfish, inconsiderate idiot who put his family in peril if it was the case there were no smoke detectors on the premises.
No money, so no insurance?
Were there any (prime universe) Section 31 people who weren't white?
You need to do better than that. You need to respond on the merits of the subject matter.
By contrast, in Nemesis the opening scene (the marriage) was directly related to the final scene (the song "Blue Skies"). But Rene's death was completely and totally irrelevant to the broader plot. Such a plot is widely discussed and well thought through during the planning phase; so why include something that is both unnecessary and horrible? I am waiting for an alternative explanation. When you sing from the leftist hymn sheet by insulting me you essentially concede your position is so weak that it cannot withstand debate (thank you Data) and that I'm correct.
I hear what people are saying about it feeling like a cheap throwaway, and also agree with the point that it would feel outta character for Picard to be tempted to save them, but ultimately the whole Nexus-is-too-tempting-to-leave thing is undercut by how easily Picard wants to leave. The Christmas fantasy is limp and for once Sir Patrick's acting prowress doesn't really sell the idea that he's in any way tempted to stay. Admittedly by that point in the movie they didn't have the time to really involve us in a whole thing of Picars being tempted and then leaving, then needing to have Kirk being tempted, then an action packed conclusion, momentum was running against the story by that point, but that does point to some of the big story problems with the movie. On TV you just know they'd have nailed some of this down in the writers room. As it is, you feel like it just got lost under the sheer time pressure they were feeling to get this movie done in time for release date.
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Wow. You're going to be loads of fun, I can tell that right now.
So you resurrected an 8 year old thread just to make some silly political statement about white privilege which had nothing whatsoever to do with the movie? You are a newbie, aren’t you?
First off, kudos on the seven-year thread resurrection to get in this timely pitch on behalf of downtrodden white men, who have suffered so many indignities since the dark days (*wink* *wink*) of 2011, but are on their way back to the top, amirite!?
Secondly, you're spot on. This minor side character from one episode of TNG who mainly served as a MacGuffin for Picard's feelings was the white man's last chance to shine in Star Trek. I'm amazed no one has bothered to point it out before. Perhaps they were confused by all the white men hidden in plain sight in subsequent Trek series and films and couldn't pick out the one that was supposed to represent our last hope?
I mean, Wesley turned into a literal god and everything and he's as white as they come, but he wore a lavender jumpsuit with rainbow stripes, so he's kind of a suspect SJW plant, if you know what I mean? Yeah, you do.
Did you happen to miss the third act of the film where Picard travels into the Nexus and his feelings of regret about the loss of René and about not starting a family of his own (as mentioned in the first act) are the thing he is confronted with again? Or where René is there in the Nexus along with his own fictional Dickensian family (eat shit Robert, no Nexus resurrection for you; you're still dead and I adopted your kid) and his wife who was that ensign from Season 4 who Picard clearly had the hots for because she looked like Beverly, so he manifested her in his dream? Or where Kirk is having his own feelings of regret for not settling down and starting a family as well, so Picard has to talk him out of it based on what he just experienced? Or where Soran couldn't give up on the past and his family so it drove him to do unspeakable acts that lead to the (temporary) deaths of hundreds of millions and his own destruction to try and get them back? Or where Picard realizes in the end that the crew of the Enterprise is his family and home is what you make of it, and that you can't hold onto the past at the expense of the present and the future? It's kind of like the recurring theme of the film and everything.
Oh, or earlier when Kirk is amazed that Sulu found time to have a child, and Montgomery "Foreshadowing" Scott said "You make the time", because that's totally what Soran was trying to do, literally make time for his family? Seriously, they should have just had Harry Chapin playing in the background the whole time:
And Spot's in the cradle in Data's room
Little star blew from the missile on the moon
"When you coming home, dad?" "When the Nexus bends"
But we'll get together then
You know we'll have a good time then
It must be exhausting being you and seeing every little thing throughout the day from a Right and Left political perspective. Only wearing the right shoe, only turning right on streets, only liking Right Whales and not those Lefty Blue Whales or even the politically neutral Gray Whales. I pity your inability to pick a cereal in the morning without considering what side of the political fence Count Chocula falls on.
The TNG writers in this movie just didn't quite know what on earth to do with Kirk. The guy should've got a state funeral. It should've been a BIG deal he was found alive in the 24th. But the whereabouts of Spot the blasted Cat got centre-stage, lulz. That's really no way to send off Kirk.
I thought Stewart acted out his loss well and I like the scene where Soran unsettles him. But a generalised audience perhaps could've done with a dream sequence initially to introduce what kind of loss they were to Picard.
There was no political or racial motivations in writing up that his nephew died in a fire, lol.
I did fell the destruction of the Enterprise, whilst exhaustively and technically well executed, that was kinda of the awkward plot device. Destroying the Enterprise was pretty much old hat as a dramatic device at that stage. For me, anyway.
I thought Stewart acted out his loss well and I like the scene where Soran unsettles him. But a generalised audience perhaps could've done with a dream sequence initially to introduce what kind of loss they were to Picard.
There was no political or racial motivations in writing up that his nephew died in a fire, lol.
I did fell the destruction of the Enterprise, whilst exhaustively and technically well executed, that was kinda of the awkward plot device. Destroying the Enterprise was pretty much old hat as a dramatic device at that stage. For me, anyway.
Warning for trolling, Mr. Winchester. Your later post indicates that you're hoping for a reaction.
Comments to PM, please.
ETA: Also, I am leaving this thread open for now. But please do not post in a thread that's been inactive for more than a year.
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