Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?

[JD]

It did seem more like what happened to Obi-Wan (gone before Vader even struck him), than Yoda (dies, then disappears.)

Gotta wonder if that disparity ever caused some fanboy aneurisms back in the day. Especially when you throw in that we also see Anakin die and then become a ghost, but it’s never even hinted that his corpse vanishes at all.

Don't forget we also saw Qui-Gon's body being cremated in The Phantom Menace and then he popped up as a ghost in The Clone Wars. In fact he's supposed to be the one who taught Yoda how to become a Force Ghost, and Yoda taught Obi-Wan.

I hope Force-ghost Luke shows up at some point in Episode IX.

Kor

I can't help but wonder if they still would have killed Luke if they knew that Carrie Fisher was going to die. I'm definitely expecting him to pop back up as a Force Ghost in Episode IX, just so we can get at least one more movie with a direct connection to the Original Trilogy.

 

[Set Harth]

In fact he's supposed to be the one who taught Yoda how to become a Force Ghost, and Yoda taught Obi-Wan.

Or Qui-Gon taught Obi-Wan.

 

[fireproof78]

Don't forget we also saw Qui-Gon's body being cremated in The Phantom Menace and then he popped up as a ghost in The Clone Wars. In fact he's supposed to be the one who taught Yoda how to become a Force Ghost, and Yoda taught Obi-Wan.

Not according to the novel. Not that it is entirely canon, but part of Obi-Wan's task on Tatooine, in addition to guarding Luke, is learning from Qui-Gon.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In ROTS, Yoda tells Obi-Wan that after he's taught Obi-Wan to commune with Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan is to train with Qui-Gon on Tatooine to follow the path to immortality that Qui-Gon has learned.

Yoda: Until the time is right, disappear, we will. [Senator Organa and Obi-Wan bow and start to leave] Master Kenobi, wait a moment. In your solitude on Tatooine, training, I have for you.
Obi-Wan: Training?
Yoda: An old friend has learned the path to immortality. One who has returned from the netherworld of the Force... Your old master.
Obi-Wan: [surprised] Qui-Gon?!
Yoda: How to commune with him, I will teach you.​

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_III_–_Revenge_of_the_Sith

 

[Awesome Possum]

It all depends on whether Hamill gets punished for speaking his mind.

Of course, for a franchise already in hot water with the fans, leaving him out of IX entirely would be the stupidest thing they could do.

Unfortunately, they have an established track record of sometimes doing the stupidest possible thing.

What universe do you live in? It certainly isn't this one. Do you honestly think that Hamill would face any consequence for defending his fellow actors from trolls? No one agrees with them. Kennedy isn't going anywhere. This is a delusion.

 

[BillJ]

The only thing damaging Star Wars, is doing more Star Wars. People are finding out there isn't much "there" there. The original films (I love and have seen all three numerous times) were fairly simple scenarios lifted from the 30's and 40's.

Star Trek is not much further ahead on that count.

 

[Awesome Possum]

It was written for children. It’s a lot of fun, but that’s about it.

 

[BillJ]

It was written for children.

Much like when this charge is leveled at Star Trek: TOS, I'm not sure that is the case. It was tame, but Vader force choked the shit out of a dude in A New Hope. I think they were trying to straddle the line with something that would appeal to multiple age demographics and did it beautifully. Something they have never really been able to accomplish since.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Much like when this charge is leveled at Star Trek: TOS, I'm not sure that is the case. It was tame, but Vader force choked the shit out of a dude in A New Hope. I think they were trying to straddle the line with something that would appeal to multiple age demographics and did it beautifully. Something they have never really been able to accomplish since.

Actually, in SW77, Vader hand-choked the shit out of a dude he was lifting off the floor, Captain Antilles, which is arguably even more violent than Force-choking would have been, being less fantastic and more grounded in reality. [ed - Vader killed him by breaking his neck, apparently.]

In terms of Force-choking, it was just a minor demonstration on Motti. Force-choking the shit our of dudes would have to wait until TESB.

SW77 also had a severed arm. Not a human arm, mind you, but the blood was still red.

 

[BillJ]

Actually, in SW77, Vader hand-choked the shit out of a dude he was lifting off the floor, Captain Antilles, which is arguably even more violent than Force-choking would have been, being less fantastic and more grounded in reality.

In terms of Force-choking, it was just a minor demonstration on Motti. Force-choking the shit our of dudes would have to wait until TESB.

Thank you! There's so much of this shit wedged into my brain, that after 46 years it all starts to bleed together!

 

[Relayer1]

I can't help but wonder if they still would have killed Luke if they knew that Carrie Fisher was going to die.

They had plenty of opportunity to keep him alive had they wanted to. Just leave him levitating.

They could have killed Leia too. Just have her turn away to face It'll when she was hanging back rather than enter the ship to escape.

Next to zero reshoots needed either.

 

[Campe]

Star Wars Celebration 5 day pass has been sold out. I’d just like to suggest for a fan base who “hates” TPTB as much as this one does, it’s a little pathetic that they would, as the OP suggests, laugh Kathleen Kennedy off the stage considering the price of that 5 day ticket. Sorry, but this is evidence that Star Wars has more than enough fans to keep it solvent.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Much like when this charge is leveled at Star Trek: TOS, I'm not sure that is the case. It was tame, but Vader force choked the shit out of a dude in A New Hope. I think they were trying to straddle the line with something that would appeal to multiple age demographics and did it beautifully. Something they have never really been able to accomplish since.

Little Red Riding Hood and her grandmother were eaten alive by a wolf. If kids can handle that, they can handle a choking.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Much like when this charge is leveled at Star Trek: TOS, I'm not sure that is the case. It was tame, but Vader force choked the shit out of a dude in A New Hope. I think they were trying to straddle the line with something that would appeal to multiple age demographics and did it beautifully. Something they have never really been able to accomplish since.

Well IIRC, some of Lucas' inspiration came from Saturday matinee serials like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, which did have children in mind. The type of thing Roddenberry created Star Trek to counter.

 

[thribs]

I just think she lacks imagination. Her ideas seem very safe; relying on just rehashing aspects of the OT without trying to do something new.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I do not believe Kathleen Kennedy is soley responsible for damaging Star Wars. She is a factor, however, to the tarnishing of the brand.

I would like to see the Star Wars universe expanded beyond the characters we have seen in earlier films and tv shows. Star Wars: Rebels proved it could be done well.

I watched Solo once. It was enough.

 

[Set Harth]

What universe do you live in? It certainly isn't this one. Do you honestly think that Hamill would face any consequence for defending his fellow actors from trolls?

You misunderstand. I wasn't talking about defending Tran. I was referring to what Hamill had said about the movie's handling of Luke. I live in a universe where Colin Trevorrow objected to what they were doing with Luke and the response was basically "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, loser." Hopefully the same thing doesn't happen to Hamill.

 

[thribs]

Man Luke was really screwed over in these new movies. He’s supposed to be the Grandmaster

 

[Awesome Possum]

I just think she lacks imagination. Her ideas seem very safe; relying on just rehashing aspects of the OT without trying to do something new.

You got something new in TLJ, it goes in a few new directions. But that didn't make you happy. I don't think fans even know what they want.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I'm wondering, with the current saga films, do they actually have any idea where they're going with this or are they just making it up from one movie to the next? I ask because there's such a tonal shift from The Force Awakens to The Last Jedi, particularly with Rey's parents. If they were always going to be nobody, why did they build up that mystery in the first film? And if Abrams had plans for his mysteries to be revealed in later films, why was Johnson allowed to derail that?

Gee, if only there was a producer working on all of these movies whose job was to make sure that they all fit together.