Spoilers Star Wars: Solo - Grading and Discussion Thread

[DigificWriter]

Rian Johnson himself is already wiggling out of Rey's parentage.

This is not a correct statement. Johnson conceded that there was a possible narrative loophole that could be exploited should the decision be made to exploit it, but he never once backed down from his decision... which, I would like to remind people, JJ Abrams was very much in supportcof, even going so far as to tell Rian that they had both independently arrived at the same conclusion regarding Rey's parentage.

 

[Ithekro]

Basically Johnson wanted to remove as many of Abrams mystery boxes as possible from the field. And I don't blame him for that, Abrams likes his mystery boxes too much and has a bad habit of not opening them.

 

[DigificWriter]

Basically Johnson wanted to remove as many of Abrams mystery boxes as possible from the field. And I don't blame him for that, Abrams likes his mystery boxes too much and has a bad habit of not opening them.

There's great irony in this comment because TFA isn't actually full of much mystery, and perceptions to the contrary are exactly that: perceptions.

 

[Reverend]

Basically Johnson wanted to remove as many of Abrams mystery boxes as possible from the field. And I don't blame him for that, Abrams likes his mystery boxes too much and has a bad habit of not opening them.

It's not so much that he doesn't open them as it is that he forgets to put anything *in* them in the first place.

 

[DarKush]

This is not a correct statement. Johnson conceded that there was a possible narrative loophole that could be exploited should the decision be made to exploit it, but he never once backed down from his decision... which, I would like to remind people, JJ Abrams was very much in supportcof, even going so far as to tell Rian that they had both independently arrived at the same conclusion regarding Rey's parentage.

Basically, 'wiggling' then. He's left a door open for either a retcon or amending of the Rey parent issue. It can be changed which is what I, and likely others, have suggested before.

 

[fireproof78]

Basically, 'wiggling' then. He's left a door open for either a retcon or amending of the Rey parent issue. It can be changed which is what I, and likely others, have suggested before.

Not a retcon in Star Wars!!!!?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Not a retcon in Star Wars!!!!?

Yeah, even though Obi-Wan got it away from Vader, it's still amazing that the thing doesn't bleed red like a regular Sith saber. Not really sure how the color-changing thing works, though.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, even though Obi-Wan got it away from Vader, it's still amazing that the thing doesn't bleed red like a regular Sith saber. Not really sure how the color-changing thing works, though.

I thought it was something that might take time. Given Vader's busy schedule of slaughtering the Jedi, the Separatist leadership and fighting Obi-Wan he probably didn't get the chance.

 

[Venardhi]

It's a dumb and unnecessary idea to begin with. Using a laser sword when fighting against guys with blasters only makes sense if you've got supernatural abilities, which explains why no one else has one. Done. Making it a big mood ring and part of a spirit quest analogue is lore for the sake of lore.

 

[Mudd]

The only SW movie I've completely enjoyed since TESB.

 

[David cgc]

Looking at Wookiepedia, all it says that kyber crystals "resist" being used by people strong in the dark side of the Force, but it isn't specific about what that means, and I haven't read "Asoka" so I have no idea if it's explained there. Maybe as Anakin used the saber more it'd just get unreliable, starting to overload and short out the machinery and whatnot? It does look like turning it red is a specific process, and nothing that just happens once you use a saber to stab too many innocent people.

 

[thribs]

You need them for Lightsabers. That's basically it.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, even though Obi-Wan got it away from Vader, it's still amazing that the thing doesn't bleed red like a regular Sith saber. Not really sure how the color-changing thing works, though.

It’s a process, that requires concentration a purposeful intent to do.

They show it in one of the new Darth Vader comics

 

[DigificWriter]

Basically, 'wiggling' then. He's left a door open for either a retcon or amending of the Rey parent issue. It can be changed which is what I, and likely others, have suggested before.

Nope. Acknowledging that something is possible is not in any way the same thing as saying that said thing is going to happen.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

While I do understand what they were trying to do there, it seemed a little strange to have an entire desert planet (with blue skies, nonetheless), a snow planet, a jungle planet, a forest moon. Are there no temperate or cold zones on these planets?

Why can't a desert planet have blue skies?

That's what I was kinda thinking when I was watching the movie. But since there is absolutely no mention of Spice in the entire film, I get the feeling it was a deliberate change on Disney's part.
Otherwise, Dryden could have just wanted a shipment of Spice. That actually would have made more sense than Jet fuel.

Why can't Spice be both drugs AND fuel. "The Spice extends life. The Spice expands consciousness. The Spice is vital to space travel."

BTW, when do we get to see all of these droids wiped out in the Butlerian Jihad?

Not a retcon in Star Wars!!!!?

It's even funnier reading it in my Alec Guinness voice.

 

[thribs]

That’s not true. Lando says that they’re the Kessel Spice mines. That was the main thing they were mining there. The fuel was secondary.

 

[Mudd]

Spice is mentioned. I assume it's fuel.

 

[Campe]

Why can't a desert planet have blue skies?

Well, crap. I was apparently taught the myth growing up about ocean being reflected off of the sky and appearing blue.

Never mind.

 

[Tuskin38]

Spice is mentioned. I assume it's fuel.

It isn’t fuel

 

[DarKush]

Nope. Acknowledging that something is possible is not in any way the same thing as saying that said thing is going to happen.

I didn't say it did. I said he was wiggling out of it, not that he said definitively it was going to happen. He was opening the door for Rey's parentage to change, which is something some pro-TLJ were crowing about was so great and brilliant about TLJ. I wonder how they will feel if Episode IX changes it? My gut tells me that a great number of them will also feel that it was great and brilliant. That Disney Star Wars can essentially do no wrong. That Disney Star Wars can pardon itself.

I don't see how you saw what I said otherwise than how I said it, though I wonder if there's a rush to see things people want to see so they can be ready to bat it down, to defend and/or reaffirm their own positions or beliefs.

There's been a lot of criticism of TLJ and Disney Star Wars dissidents (and some of it deservedly so) but not enough light is being shined on the Disney/TLJ defenders who sometimes exhibit the same kind of dogmatic absolutism, and some are also not above slinging mud. (I'm speaking in general here and not at you).

As the discussions have gone on I've pulled back. I check the Star Wars boards from time to time, and hit a like or so, but I only responded here because you had replied to something I wrote. But for me, these discussions or debates have just started going around in circles. We'll all get more clarity with Episode IX so there's very little more for me to say about Solo, TLJ, or what have you at this point. And these discussions also made me realize how little I care about Star Wars as a creative, science fantasy universe that I used to love to visit anymore. I am more interested now in how it will fare as a movie franchise/entertainment behemoth. I am curious to see if it can rebound from Solo's failure, what will happen with Kathleen Kennedy, and so forth than I care about the fates of Rey, Poe, Finn, and the Resistance. I don't care if the First Order wins, I don't care if they lose.

I'm going on and on, but it's just an odd sensation for me. This...coldness, this emptiness when it comes to Star Wars now.

So, everyone please continue having at it. The Disney/TLJ dissenters, I'm more on your side than I am on the pro side, and I hope you continue the good fight, but I'm bowing out.