TLJ originally had a May 2017 release (to coincide with the 40th anniversary of ANH) but was delayed.
Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?
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Or trying to shout-out to a popular movie that everyone saw, which already had spawned many memes of the same type without incident.
That's true. You really didn't.
So what's the deal? Is it that you find the notion of a wealthy executive ending up temporarily unemployed to be such an abhorrent concept that it borders on thoughtcrime? Or is anything a death threat if you say it is? That's usually how the "hard time giving a fuck about meaning" crowd rolls.
Sure man. You can totally tell that by the way I accused him of making a death threat, and promptly reported him for it.
Oh. Wait. I didn’t say that at all. It’s almost like I choose the words I use for a reason, and not just because they’d look pretty on a screen.
I ‘mean’ that depicting the death of someone as a ‘funny metaphor’ for a ‘wished for with much sweating and heavy breathing’ sacking, is about as fucking stupid as using child rape as a metaphor for ‘saw a sucky movie.’
Which I thought would be obvious. Considering you apparently have greater insight than even me into what I ‘really mean:’ and I have said the same thing three fucking times now.
And I never said ‘intent’ doesn’t matter. Unfortunately for people who like to weasel behind it when called out for actions, intent is simply one of many things that ‘matter.’
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Doesn't mean they lost momentum or that somehow it damaged the Star Wars brand. Any more than people stopped being fans because of the PT.
Also "pissed on Luke" is hyperbole, at best. It's been 6 months and I still don't get the anger towards it. It's as if the characters in Star Wars are not allowed to be people.
To me, Luke in the beginning of TLJ was a character who had kind of lost his way. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It happens to real people.
By the end of the movie, he had found 'peace and purpose,' was vindicated, and was portrayed in a very reverent manner as befits a Jedi Master rising above our mundane physical plane of existence. I really, really, really don't get all the anger from viewers about this.
Kor
Luke wasn't an action hero, maybe? Dunno.
No, it really really isn't. It's fucking disgusting, and I find it seriously disturbing that anybody would find it even the slightest bit funny.
Hell, I'm seriously pissed at pretty much everybody above me in the heirarchy at work right now, and despite having a few not exactly nice thoughts about them, it never once crossed my mind to post something like that online, and if someone else did, I wouldn't find it funny.
Sure you say that now after seeing the reaction it got, but I have to wonder what exactly you'd be saying if everyone else said things along the lines of "haha yeah, kill the bitch"?
I agree that people want kind of simple idealized hero's in "Star Wars" but i'm not sure that means they can't be interesting. It's just a different kind of interesting than you might get from a more adult drama. If anything a more serious Luke is actually something that would appeal more to Hardcore fans than casual fans because they in theory will take the "Star Wars" myth stuff more serious than people who just want to relax and turn their brains off for 2 hours and escape. I liked the Luke stuff for that exact reason. The problem is what do you do when the escapism part lets you down which it did in TLJ. The space chase was just flat out boring for the most part the movie really is missing the same sense of fun the older movies had or even "Force Awakens.". Except for the opening scene where they are doing the putting someone on hold comedy bit. More of that would have been nice.
Still I think it all comes down to just how angry everyone is. Like I said before nobody in 2018 actually wants to be in 2018. Use to it was just liberals who would feel the need to rebel against society. Now we see what happens when both sides feel that way at the exact same time. How is anyone expected to enjoy anything anymore. When you see it and your conservative an you almost feel obligated to hate it because you feel it is trying to be all about some secret SJW agenda because the internet has made everyone into a conspiracy theory person at this point but if your on the left you can't admit you might not like it because that adds fuel to the Alt right and the very notion of someone just not liking it for creative reasons is hard to accept when you got 5 sexist Kennedy video's you see everyday thus you buy into the idea that everyone is the same on the issue. People like to say this represents a small fraction of whiny man-children which I hope is true but it doesn't reflect in how people actually deal with people who dislike the movie because then all the benefit of doubt goes out the window instantly. Has anyone here ever seen anyone who dislikes the movie and not have their first impulse be that the person is just another sexist asshole? Why would one assume this if these people were such a small percentage of people who complain?
Jason
You do know that Disney has a certain Mary Poppins sequel coming out for Christmas, right?
It's more complicated than that. It's like in music where you play a minor chord to create tension and then you play a major chord and the tension is released. The TFA cliffhanger was a minor chord, Luke rejecting Rey was another minor chord. Failed Casino run and loosing most of the Resistance was yet another Minor Chord. The Major chord at the the end of this better be really good, and it wasn't. Luke is a Projection so he never actually has it out with Kylo, then he is absorbed into the Force. That's yet another Minor Chord. We never get to see Luke be a great Jedi. That all happened between movies. To continue the metaphor the movie is discordant all the way through.
There's a mix of major and minor in Empire, but the balance better and while the ending is similar to TLJ, it just works better, and certainly much less dire.
Okay? They always have movies releasing. They own half the schedule already.
Well, to that I'll just say that The Empire Strikes Back is one of those few-in-a-lifetime masterpieces. It's stood up really well and it was even ahead of its time in 1980. No Star Wars film since has equaled it. I think the 1977 film happens to be better, but certainly many if not most fans think TESB is best and I can actually wrap my head around that point of view quite easily.
This. I think it is easily one of the top 25 films ever made. It just clicked in a way (for me) that very few films ever manage.
Maybe because Luke was overrated?
Why would they compete with themselves? They figured Solo would do fine in May without hurting Mary Poppins.
On this point I'll disagree. I thought Luke becoming one with the Force was a massive major chord, and one that will likely pay off in the next film.
I know they can never really live up to the image we've got in our heads, but they could at least try.
Agree.
Easily.
It's cinematic mastercraft.
*And like Counterpart, I prefer 77 and think it's the better overall experience (and much more groundbreaking), but it's hard to deny Empire's technical and artistic achievement.
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