The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

[Anwar]

When did plot hole = things I don't like about a movie.

In this case, it's not. DOFP's whole "Mutants losing in the future" thing is a big plot hole considering the kind of powers we see them using. Unless they're total incompetents it's implausible that they'd be losing so badly and let the Sentinels get that strong. Quicksilver still would've been around when the war started and with his powers there's no way they'd have lost.

 

[DigificWriter]

In this case, it's not. DOFP's whole "Mutants losing in the future" thing is a big plot hole considering the kind of powers we see them using. Unless they're total incompetents it's implausible that they'd be losing so badly and let the Sentinels get that strong. Quicksilver still would've been around when the war started and with his powers there's no way they'd have lost.

Assumptions about how you think something should play out do not constitute plotholes.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Assumptions about how you think something should play out do not constitute plotholes.

Plus misses the point of allegory.

 

[Anwar]

Assumptions about how you think something should play out do not constitute plotholes.

If they introduce characters of such power, and then put them in a situation that they should've been able to avert DUE to their power and they never explain WHY they didn't use their powers to stop it...it's a plot hole.

Plus misses the point of allegory.

What Allegory? The whole X-Men usage of the Holocaust has always been lazily done and exploitative.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

What Allegory? The whole X-Men usage of the Holocaust has always been lazily done and exploitative.

Lazy allegory is still allegory.

 

[Anwar]

Lazy allegory is still allegory.

And being lazy, it's easy to point out the plot holes it causes.

Of course, this is all from the original comic storyline and it never made much sense there either. The idea that the Sentinels could kill ALL of the non-mutant heroes when they've repeatedly battles and won against far stronger enemies was always ridiculous.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

And being lazy, it's easy to point out the plot holes it causes.

Of course, this is all from the original comic storyline and it never made much sense there either. The idea that the Sentinels could kill ALL of the non-mutant heroes when they've repeatedly battles and won against far stronger enemies was always ridiculous.

Yes. In a world where men shoot lasers from their eyes and grow wings and fly, that plot point is impossible to swallow.

 

[Anwar]

Yes. In a world where men shoot lasers from their eyes and grow wings and fly, that plot point is impossible to swallow.

It is when the plot keeps telling us how powerful they are and how Humanity stands no chance...and the plot revolves around them LOSING a war against Humanity, the plot contrivance being that they had super robots to fight with. Despite the movie ITSELF introducing a mutant more than capable of destroying the entire robot army before they could do anything.

And Quicksilver's entire presence breaks the plot too. If they kept him around everything would've been wrapped up in seconds but the plot drops him ASAP with no real explanation.

 

[crookeddy]

It is when the plot keeps telling us how powerful they are and how Humanity stands no chance...and the plot revolves around them LOSING a war against Humanity, the plot contrivance being that they had super robots to fight with. Despite the movie ITSELF introducing a mutant more than capable of destroying the entire robot army before they could do anything.

And Quicksilver's entire presence breaks the plot too. If they kept him around everything would've been wrapped up in seconds but the plot drops him ASAP with no real explanation.

This isn't wrong you know... The mutants as the oppressed makes little sense as they are too powerful. Also, if you take the allegory for racism, then X-Men is saying that the oppressed are actually "superior" and more evolved than the oppressors? That's kind of a strange message?

 

[Set Harth]

Quicksilver still would've been around when the war started and with his powers there's no way they'd have lost.

Yet somehow he got beaten by Apocalypse.

Maybe he went into hiding because he knew it would be really bad if the Sentinels gained the ability to use his power.

 

[Anwar]

Yet somehow he got beaten by Apocalypse.

Maybe he went into hiding because he knew it would be really bad if the Sentinels gained the ability to use his power.

That was pure Deus Ex Machina because the FoX-Writers are incompetent enough to create a character who could resolve every plot ASAP and didn't realize what they'd done until it was too late. But he was too popular so they had to bring him back.

So they gave Apocalypse the power to react to him...despite NEVER showing that reaction time against anyone else. If he used that reaction speed he'd have killed Jean before she blasted him.

QS could've defeated all the Sentinels before they could adapt to him. Xavier could've used his telepathy to find and reach the Human leaders and stop them, there were so many ways they could've won and the movie doesn't give ANY explanation why they couldn't.

 

[DigificWriter]

Maybe he went into hiding because he knew it would be really bad if the Sentinels gained the ability to use his power.

Or he got straight-up killed at some point in the half-century between when Mystique's assassination of Trask failed and he accelerated the Sentinel Program to the point that it had reached by 2023.

 

[Thestral]

This isn't wrong you know... The mutants as the oppressed makes little sense as they are too powerful. Also, if you take the allegory for racism, then X-Men is saying that the oppressed are actually "superior" and more evolved than the oppressors? That's kind of a strange message?

What?! That's exactly the opposite of what the whole point of the Xavier vs. Magneto conflict is about. Magneto - the villain - thinks they're superior; Xavier thinks they're equal.

QS could've defeated all the Sentinels before they could adapt to him. Xavier could've used his telepathy to find and reach the Human leaders and stop them, there were so many ways they could've won and the movie doesn't give ANY explanation why they couldn't.

Quicksilver died at some point. Easy-peasy, end of. Xavier doesn't do mind-control.

 

[crookeddy]

What?! That's exactly the opposite of what the whole point of the Xavier vs. Magneto conflict is about. Magneto - the villain - thinks they're superior; Xavier thinks they're equal.

Xavier is wrong and time and again leads his people to ruin.

 

[Anwar]

Or he got straight-up killed at some point in the half-century between when Mystique's assassination of Trask failed and he accelerated the Sentinel Program to the point that it had reached by 2023.

Quicksilver died at some point. Easy-peasy, end of. Xavier doesn't do mind-control.

Too bad none of this is ever even CONSIDERED by the writers, and their continual portrayal of Xavier as a buffoon makes him a terrible protagonist.

 

[DigificWriter]

Too bad none of this is ever even CONSIDERED by the writers

You can't make this claim because you don't know what the writers have or have not thought about.

 

[Anwar]

You can't make this claim because you don't know what the writers have or have not thought about.

I know that the MCU writers would have thought this sort of thing through, and that the FoX-Writers have repeatedly shown they just DON'T think things through and haven't for years. I can assure you that they never gave Quicksilver's presence a second thought in DOFP beyond his one scene. Nor did they ever think about Xavier simply using his powers to stop the Warmongering Humans (he had no problem using them to break into the White House and basically bully the President into not doing anything despite the President being COMPLETELY justified in doing so!). The comic at least killed Xavier off so he wasn't around in the future, although the comic story was full of holes too.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I know that the MCU writers would have thought this sort of thing through...

I wish I had your mutant power to know all of these impossible to know things. I certainly wouldn't be wasting my talents on a message board, that's for sure.

 

[Anwar]

I wish I had your mutant power to know all of these impossible to know things. I certainly wouldn't be wasting my talents on a message board, that's for sure.

Proof is in the pudding man, compare the long-term thinking and plot comprehensiveness in an MCU film to a FoX-Men film and you'll see the difference. FoX-Men keeps going on and on about how Magneto is some determined fanatic...and then Apocalypse shows us that after DOFP he gave it all up to be a Metal Worker in Poland.

They also wouldn't introduce a character who could end the plot of any film then and there and then just drop him without a second thought nor explain why he wasn't around to help them when they REALLY needed it. Heck, the MCU films made sure that Thanos didn't attack Earth until Asgard was gone, the Ancient One was gone and Ego was gone.

 

[Samurai8472]

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