Go rewatch Journey into Night. When Strand and his team find the "sea that shouldn't be there" and all the dead Hosts, the camera focuses on Teddy's body... so "he's dead, Jim".
And I already explained how/why Maeve is dead.
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Go rewatch Journey into Night. When Strand and his team find the "sea that shouldn't be there" and all the dead Hosts, the camera focuses on Teddy's body... so "he's dead, Jim".
And I already explained how/why Maeve is dead.
Also possibly but not necessarily dead: Lawrence. That would be a shame.
It's also an assumption on the part of the humans, rather than a fact, that destroying the CR4-DL will make it impossible to restore Hosts. It's entirely possible that Ford and/or Delores know some things that Charlotte Hale doesn't about what's been done on the island.
It's also an assumption on the part of the humans, rather than a fact, that destroying the CR4-DL will make it impossible to restore Hosts. It's entirely possible that Ford and/or Delores know some things that Charlotte Hale doesn't about what's been done on the island.
Dolores destroyed The Cradle for the specific purpose of getting rid of all the Hosts' backups, because said backups are just one more chain on them.
Listen to the dialogue again. Delores offered a quick death because she was concerned that the humans would torture her until Maeve was turned against their own people.
Regardless, hosts are a lot harder to kill than regular humans (even without the Cradle), and Lee (the guy hiding from Delores in the same room as Maeve) is the most likely one to restore her.
They already said those hosts had unused brains (no memories and no evidence of memory erasure).
I think the cradle backups are just restore points really. Which is why Delores calls them chains. They just overwrite the hosts memories. By removing the cradle there is no overwriting (via that network).
Unless the spherical core of each host is destroyed, they should be able to be booted back up once power is restored to the host. So Teddy, Maeve not dead.
Unless the spherical core of each host is destroyed, they should be able to be booted back up once power is restored to the host. So Teddy, Maeve not dead.
I have to laugh at all of those people (not just here, but also in various articles) who were so damn certain about the Bernard/Dolores scene. People keep making definitive assumptions and they keep getting it wrong. I'm sure it won't be the last time. 
I'm sorry if this is indeed the end for Clementine, Lawrence and Angela (and soon to be Teddy) with the Cradle destroyed, but I don't think Maeve is dead yet. In fact, I would be very surprised if she is dead, much like I would've been surprised if this was the end for William (and the end of that scene clearly shows he lives for another episode).
Nice to see Maeve call out Dolores' hypocrisy regarding Teddy's sentience (and how Maeve quickly figured that out on her own). I wonder if that will cause Dolores to restore Teddy to his original self...not that it matters since his days are almost over.
With Robert'ss claims that he needs to take away Bernard's free will for his own good and his now apparent occupation in Bernard's body, does Bernard really exist anymore? On the other hand, why didn't we see Robert in the "present day" scenes from Bernard's perspective aside from possible narrative sloppiness (i.e. withholding Robert's presence solely for the sake of the surprise later on)?
I'm sorry if this is indeed the end for Clementine, Lawrence and Angela (and soon to be Teddy) with the Cradle destroyed, but I don't think Maeve is dead yet. In fact, I would be very surprised if she is dead, much like I would've been surprised if this was the end for William (and the end of that scene clearly shows he lives for another episode).
Nice to see Maeve call out Dolores' hypocrisy regarding Teddy's sentience (and how Maeve quickly figured that out on her own). I wonder if that will cause Dolores to restore Teddy to his original self...not that it matters since his days are almost over.
With Robert'ss claims that he needs to take away Bernard's free will for his own good and his now apparent occupation in Bernard's body, does Bernard really exist anymore? On the other hand, why didn't we see Robert in the "present day" scenes from Bernard's perspective aside from possible narrative sloppiness (i.e. withholding Robert's presence solely for the sake of the surprise later on)?
I sure hope so! I keep worrying she'll die because we don't see her in the "present day" scenes, but this episode provides a possible explanation: She's in the Valley Beyond. Nonetheless, before she was given that direction, I feared Robert was going to order Bernard to kill her for real this time.
This is more or less what I've been thinking might be true as well. This would also mean Clementine and Lawrence aren't inherently dead, but Angela is.
I'm pretty sure Maeve will be saved, especially since douchey-narrative-creator guy is still alive and hiding right by her.
Mister Sizemore is in l-u-u-v. He has a thoroughly self-flattering Pygmalion complex.
Yep.
Ford is "running" Bernard's body, it looks to be, along the lines of the whole "bicameral mind" scenario - from Bernard's POV, we see that he perceives directions that originate within his own control unit, placed there by Ford, personified as Ford himself.
On another matter - in order to enter the CR4-DL directly, Bernard had Elsie physically place his control unit into it. The last time Maeve died, she was completely consumed by fire which may well have destroyed her control unit - IOW, it's possible that Hosts are sometimes recreated with new control units from their latest back-up. So, how many control units may have been in the Cradle itself, and how many may have been scavenged by the Hosts before destroying it? Including, possibly, Ford's?
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Yeah, this episode was interesting, in the sense that it really upended many fan theories, which again goes to prove just how complex a show it is. Nothing is at it seems. It gave me a thought that while the hosts might be evolving, the same is true with the show itself as the rules always seem to be changing. Nothing is clearcut about it.
About Maeve, I felt with the reveal last week that her storyline was pretty much done. Kind of hard to really continue in that direction. I think that if they revive her, they'll give her a new role.
About Maeve, I felt with the reveal last week that her storyline was pretty much done. Kind of hard to really continue in that direction. I think that if they revive her, they'll give her a new role.
While I can see that reasoning, she did make a promise. Yeah, the story reset to what it was just two episodes ago, but she's still driven by the desire to reunite her daughter, a daughter who doesn't actually see her as a mother. Plenty of ground to cover there. Plus, we don't know what's going on with Ghost Nation and it seems like they don't want to actually harm Maeve's daughter (but Maeve doesn't see that yet).
I hope all you bozos claiming that my beloved Angela is dead will proven to be wrong, though it doesn't look good for her. I couldn't tell which exact time frame was her scene in this week's episode. She had straight hair like the time she seduced Logan. As Dolores' sidekick she has curly hair.
If she is gone then I will miss her. She was sexy but not threatening,, accommodating but not unchallenging, sweet but not boring, smart but not intimidating. She was perfect.
And what the heck is the door (mentioned again in this episode by Ford)? Is it the entrance to the real world for the hosts? Must be related to the valley beyond.
If she is gone then I will miss her. She was sexy but not threatening,, accommodating but not unchallenging, sweet but not boring, smart but not intimidating. She was perfect.
And what the heck is the door (mentioned again in this episode by Ford)? Is it the entrance to the real world for the hosts? Must be related to the valley beyond.
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^ Angela suicide-bombed herself. There's no possible way she could have survived.
She could easily have a back-up, if that's what the writers want.
The Hosts could have pulled all their backups before destroying the CR4-DL.
Other back-ups might exist elsewhere because Ford wanted them to exist.
Delores has no objection to her own immortality. She objects to it being controlled by the humans.
What Charlotte says is true does not matter. She is not a truth-telling character or reliable narrator.
That's the way this show works. What is certain is that the writers will do what they please.
The Hosts could have pulled all their backups before destroying the CR4-DL.
Other back-ups might exist elsewhere because Ford wanted them to exist.
Delores has no objection to her own immortality. She objects to it being controlled by the humans.
What Charlotte says is true does not matter. She is not a truth-telling character or reliable narrator.
That's the way this show works. What is certain is that the writers will do what they please.
I'm a little confused is the Bernard that was in the cradle the same one who was being tortured?
Yes, as far as we know.
The scenes in the CR4-DL take place earlier. They're going on at the same time - more or less - as the assault on the Mesa by Delores' followers, during which she liberates her father's control unit and destroys the Cradle.
The scenes of Bernard being tortured take place in "present time," after the Hosts have fled with Abernathy's control unit and Strand's team has arrived on the island.
Thanks I'm getting a little confused by the time jumps.
