A Roseanne revival? Really??

[Jayson1]

In the 'Dating Co-Workers situation; again, it depends on what they say in public (and IMO it's stupid to air a private situation in public, so yeah IF it affects the image of the company, or affects either worker's productivity - OR either one or both get HR involved citing 'harassment at work' - many things could happen.

As for your second situation; I have a feeling were you Unionized and your employer knew of your medical status when hired OR something that's outside of what would be considered your normal day to day work situation triggered your OCD or the panic attacks - I doubt they could have fired you as easily. But again, in Rosanne Barr's situation, it's pretty clear cut WHY the decision was made to fire her, and it 'for cause' that no one would dispute given Her's and ABC's status.

No I have never been part of union. That's because they don't allow unions to form. If you don't want to take whatever they offer they just move onto the next person. Also they didn't know about my medical issues because even I didn't know about them when I first started working for them. Also they can fire you that easy because they did. If workers have no power they can basically do anything they want.

Jason

 

[thribs]

There’s news that ABC are thinking of bringing the show back without her, but because she created the characters, she would still get money from it.

 

[Jayson1]

Is this news as reliable as the stuff about Fox picking it up? I think a show without her could be good but I don't think anyone else would want to do it. I mean you have places now refusing to show reruns of the older days of the show so someone is going to bring a version back now that is currently tainted by the tweets.


Jason

 

[Locutus of Bored]

 

[bigdaddy]

You can be ra

It seems you would be better off talking with your co-workers about how the boss sucks than posting it to strangers online.

Jason

You really have never had a job have you?

That is why you don't go on Twitter and be a racist pig, something Roseanne has now learned. She can be racists to her friends all the time, just don't do it online.

 

[bigdaddy]

Is this news as reliable as the stuff about Fox picking it up? I think a show without her could be good but I don't think anyone else would want to do it. I mean you have places now refusing to show reruns of the older days of the show so someone is going to bring a version back now that is currently tainted by the tweets.

Darlene, Jackie, and Dan all have supposedly expressed interest with continuing without Roseanne. (I'm blacking on real names besides John Goodman.) The studio wants more money with a spinoff of the number one show on TV this past season.

However ABC has nothing to do with the talks about continuing the show. So technically they could pass on a spinoff idea and have a spinoff on Fox.

 

[Awesome Possum]

FOX News is asking whether she was fired because of her vile behavior or because of her political views.

They say the jury is still out.

A company that pretends to be that fucking stupid shouldn't be allowed to call itself news.

It's only because a poisonous element that's slowly spread throughout the Republican party wants to push the idea that her racist views were just her political views. That's what they want and they've already managed it with LGBTQ people. The Republican party actively pushes for laws to restrict their rights and claim that it's a religious view and even calling blatant discrimination "religious freedom". Now they call pointing out bigotry and racism an attack on them in an attempt to make bigotry and racism a valid worldview. This will get a lot worse as they continue to attack minority rights and vilify those who rightfully point it out. Just look at this thread, there are right leaning posters arguing that pointing out the actions of a racist person is part of the problem instead of just the racist person being THE problem.

 

[gblews]

When someone shouts "FIRST AMENDMENT!" at the above examples it only shows how little they understand it. That amendment only pertains to Congress. It has nothing to do with employees of a business.

This may be the original intent and wording of the amendment, but like other amendments, over the years a myriad of legal decisions have expanded and changed the meaning of the amendment.

The current interpretation of what and who the amendment covers has been expanded considerably over the years.

This is just speculation on my part, but I suspect that if the question of whether or not players can be fined by the NFL for kneeling during the anthem ever gets before a court, I think the decision is likely to be overturned if for no other reason than the rule is not a part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the players' union and the league.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

While I can understand one being offended by someone not standing for the anthem, being satisfied by forcing the players to stand seems like it's more about control than patriotism. There used to be a notion of "I don't agree with you but I will fight for your right to say it" that does seems to have been lost over time.

Another thing that never seems to get reported is that Kaepernick started kneeling because a soldier wrote him that he thought it was disrespectful that he was sitting through the anthem to protest. Kneeling instead was meant to be a gesture to show that while protesting the anthem he was respecting the troops.

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[thribs]

All this fuss over this song. It isn’t even that great. There are better national anthems out there.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

All this fuss over this song. It isn’t even that great. There are better national anthems out there.

It's not actually about the anthem for the athletes. That was just the way the issue was rebranded by Trump and conservative politicians and media to create a wedge issue and distract from dealing with the real problem, which is rampant police mistreatment and shootings of black people. The anthem was just a means to an end of making their point in a way that would draw attention, as all effective protests do.

That's why when people say things like "just stop playing the anthem" (not you, just in general) they are spectacularly missing the point and still asking the athletes to just shut up and play for our amusement and telling them their justifiable concerns don't matter.

 

[Jayson1]

The dumbest thing about the anthem for me is you know half of the people complaining are either sitting on their ass in front of their tv waiting for the game to start or getting snacks or fast forwarding it on their DVR. The other half aren't even NFL fan's. Not only do the miss the point of why the protests were done but they don't really even care that much for the fake reasons they are pretending to care.

Jason

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Darlene, Jackie, and Dan all have supposedly expressed interest with continuing without Roseanne. (I'm blacking on real names besides John Goodman.) The studio wants more money with a spinoff of the number one show on TV this past season.

However ABC has nothing to do with the talks about continuing the show. So technically they could pass on a spinoff idea and have a spinoff on Fox.

"blacking"? Is that a Freudian slip?

 

[bigdaddy]

"blacking"? Is that a Freudian slip?

Yikes.... yes.

I think it was because I was reading on How Roseanne didn't know the woman she was making fun of was black.

This is a sci-fi board, how many white apes are in The Planet of the Apes? She needs to shut the hell up and go seek out help.

 

[Photoman15]

Excuse me. How can what Roseanne said be racist if she's talking about a white (Iranian) woman?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Excuse me. How can what Roseanne said be racist if she's talking about a white (Iranian) woman?

She was born in Iran, Valerie Jarret's parents are African-American.

 

[Manticore]

Excuse me. How can what Roseanne said be racist if she's talking about a white (Iranian) woman?

Okay, let's assume that it's not racist and just horribly bigoted?

How does that make it any better?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Excuse me. How can what Roseanne said be racist if she's talking about a white (Iranian) woman?

Valerie Jarrett is black--her parents are both African American, but she was born in Iran. Next, the "ape" racist attack as been used primarily against anyone of African descent for centuries, but it has also been used against other non-white people around the world. Either way, Rosanne's statement was despicable in the extreme and she--like anyone engaging in racist slurs, stereotypes, etc., should suffer the well earned consequences. However, we see that for some--based on an accepted political ideology and that of the employer--they can have astounding incidents of racist behavior in their past, yet the company did not pause before employing them. Examples are Jimmy Kimmel's sickening, running blackface skit as NBA player Karl Malone from his earlier vehicle, The Man Show--

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This is on the level of Neo-Nazi recruitment media I've seen over the years, yet Kimmel not only got away with this textbook display of racism (disguised as "humor") right down to the thick-tongued, thick-skulked, inarticulate stereotype of a black man, but ABC Studios/Buena Vista--who do look into the backgrounds of potential employees--knew all about the series that made Kimmel famous, yet they partnered to bring him to ABC, and have not (as far as I can tell) issued one word about his unforgivable, running skit of racism, or reconsidered his status on the network--at least to pretend they will not tolerate an employee who built part of his fame on undeniable racism.

Then, there's MSNBC, inarguably the most left-leaning news channel in the West, but they did not fire Joy Reid for her homophobic slurs in the past (she called same sex acts "gross"), and as of this day, has not taken action for a blog post attacking CNN's Wolf Blitzer--who is Jewish--as being a partisan for Israel. The difference here is that Kimmel and Reid both hold other beliefs that are right in line with the companies employing them, so their racist past has been glossed over.

Apparently, racism--one the few forms of true evil in human history--only becomes a controversy when the individual with the a particular "wrong" view say and/or practices it. Then again, for all of various media companies' self-aggrandizing statements about it being part of a culture of understanding and tolerance, said tolerance was and is practiced selectively...much like its outrage. One would expect that kind of position from the gateway drug to full on White Supremacy called Fox News, but from ABC (one firing does not remove the double standard) and MSNBC? No rational mind is buying their inaction in two glaring cases.

 

[Jayson1]

Excuse me. How can what Roseanne said be racist if she's talking about a white (Iranian) woman?

I don't think people believe she is telling the truth that she thought she might be white. Especially since as a monkey joke expert I can tell you that what she said wouldn't even count as a monkey joke even if she was white. Now if you see Andy Serkais eating a banana in public then you got a place to make a monkey joke. She just descirbed a person using words she knew would be offensive without adding anything else to it. No social commentary no lightheaded banter or no reference to how she see's herself as a bad person because she thinks of this. The "I can't believe how unwoke I was back in this and this time because I thought of this and this."

Jason

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Excuse me. How can what Roseanne said be racist if she's talking about a white (Iranian) woman?

Excuse me, but it doesn't seem like you're fully up to speed on the facts. Let's just start with the fact that Valerie Jarrett is not Iranian. You can use Google or some other search engine to straighten out the rest on your own.