Star Trek Without Starfleet?

[The Old Mixer]

awww, Don't care forr the TRUTH?

Sigh. After two months, you not only come back in and try to restoke the argument that earned you a Warning, but do so by responding again to the very same post that you got the Warning for responding to last time?

If you were a first-time offender, I'd probably give you a friendly for this. But I made a note two months ago that you'd gotten all the friendlies you're going to get from me, and that hasn't changed. Warning for Trolling. Comments to PM.

And please learn to use the +Quote feature to respond to multiple quotes in one post.

 

[Samuel]

To me Starfleet is such an integral part of Star Trek that it might as well be another franchise if you don't have it in there.

 

[Tenacity]

To me Starfleet is such an integral part of Star Trek that it might as well be another franchise if you don't have it in there.

While it would be a change from what came before, DS9 showed that a Star Trek show can move away from a focus on Starfleet. The Star Trek universe is (imho) a expansive and interesting one that over the last half century has been built up in considerable detail. A show in this universe where Starfleet is absent or far in the background would be great.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Why? There are many who would enjoy storylines within the Star Wars franchise without Jedi or lightsabers (I know several and Rogue One's success bears some evidence to this fact). So, if that film can continue on in the story, then I think Star Trek can do it to. There's already a fan film based upon such a concept.

I think that the Star Trek world is big enough to allow for a show without being centered on a Starfleet ship.

And to boot Aurora is one of the best fan films out there.

One of the things that made it so good (unfortunately, no more episodes are in the works) was the writing, which of course is always indispensable for something truly good. It had a compelling lead character with a fascinating backstory that was AFAIK not only completely novel for the Star Trek universe but also highly original period. Tim Vining produced something truly inspired, and there was much more to it than simply following the adventures of a civilian ship in the ST universe. Without the lead character, it just wouldn't have been the same.

Which gets back to the point that setting is far less important than the characters in it.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

And to boot Aurora is one of the best fan films out there.

It is a brilliant piece of work!

Which gets back to the point that setting is far less important than the characters in it.

Pretty much the point I was thinking, if you have the right characters for people to support then where they are is a secondary concern.

 

[Nyotarules]

One of the great things about your idea is that it would place the Humans on the show in the position of being "the aliens."

Having to learn the dominate cultures idioms, slang and jargon. Not being understood when they use common Human euphemisms and then having to explain (like Worf occasional had to). Stumbling over the unfamiliar social norms.

This would really make the Humans the odd ones out.

Shoe's on the other foot now.

The Adventures of the USS Titan,,oops they are Starfleet lol

 

[yenny]

I myself thought about the adventures of a Earth Steller Navy battleship during the Romulan War. I've name the starship BB-135 Texas. Eventhough it's not a Starfleet starship, Starfleet would still be envolve in working and corporating with the navy.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I'd like to see a Star Trek series not set in space or in the future. Maybe they could set it around a group of friends in an apartment building in modern day New York City.

 

[SolarisOne]

How about a series where Starfleet is present, but isn't dominant, and also isn't the most advanced player, kind of like an inverted Deep Space Nine? What if a more advanced civilization reached out to the Federation and said they wanted to foster peace and cooperation between them and the other local powers, without any trickery or ploys involved?

What if much of said civilization was trying to overcome the strong distrust of outsiders instilled by their creators, and it was the progressive elements that wanted this contact with the Federation?

 

[Tenacity]

I myself thought about the adventures of a Earth Steller Navy battleship during the Romulan War. I've name the starship BB-135 Texas.

I like the idea of romulan war time period show. It's a little known period in Trek history and open to creativity.

The writing and situations would have to be different than the Dominion war (hard to beat), and the DIS Klingon war (easy to beat).

Even though it's not a Starfleet starship, Starfleet would still be envolve in working and corporating with the navy.

I've alway imagined the romulan war was large scale, ENT said that Starfleet was small leading up to the war. If (my head canon) many of Earth's countries had their own interstellar fleets, including warships, the romulan war could be something like the show "above and beyond" where various countries fought their section off the interstellar war, but the different fleets came together for big operations.

What if a more advanced civilization reached out to the Federation and said they wanted to foster peace and cooperation between them and the other local powers

Sound good so far. I've often wondered what would happen if the Federation ever ran into another Federation.

without any trickery or ploys involved?

Isn't that the tactic the Cardassians used on Bajor?

the progressive elements

Oh ickky.

 

[eschaton]

My own "unconventional Trek" idea is a series focusing on young Curzon Dax and his role as the top Federation diplomat with the Klingon Empire. Most of the action would take place on Qonos. Curzon seems like a fun character to have as a protagonist - charming and intelligent, but also more than a little bit flawed (liked to drink, womanizer, etc). They could easily retcon him into being pansexual (since it's implied heavily this is the norm for joined Trill). His active period was concurrent with the TOS movie era, which would allow some crossover potential - particularly leading up to the Khitomer Accords. And of course, we could see a lot more Kor, Kang, and Koloth.

 

[SolarisOne]

My own "unconventional Trek" idea is a series focusing on young Curzon Dax and his role as the top Federation diplomat with the Klingon Empire. Most of the action would take place on Qonos. Curzon seems like a fun character to have as a protagonist - charming and intelligent, but also more than a little bit flawed (liked to drink, womanizer, etc). They could easily retcon him into being pansexual (since it's implied heavily this is the norm for joined Trill). His active period was concurrent with the TOS movie era, which would allow some crossover potential - particularly leading up to the Khitomer Accords. And of course, we could see a lot more Kor, Kang, and Koloth.

This. I like this. A prose series with this premise would be cool.

 

[fireproof78]

How about a series where Starfleet is present, but isn't dominant, and also isn't the most advanced player, kind of like an inverted Deep Space Nine? What if a more advanced civilization reached out to the Federation and said they wanted to foster peace and cooperation between them and the other local powers, without any trickery or ploys involved?

What if much of said civilization was trying to overcome the strong distrust of outsiders instilled by their creators, and it was the progressive elements that wanted this contact with the Federation?

Oh, so the First Federation finally gets the exposition we always wanted?

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Star Trek is about Starfleet.

Oh really?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Oh really?

Yes.Not sure how a fan film proves otherwise.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes.Not sure how a fan film proves otherwise.

Indeed. I am doubtful that a series could sustain that plot line.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Aurora stories involved Starfleet anyway, just not as the primary focus.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

The Aurora stories involved Starfleet anyway, just not as the primary focus.

Pretty much. And I disagree that there can't be any stories with this concept, as the second movie Mudd In Your I shows.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Get the right characters and they could work in the spacedock cafeteria as a setting and it could still be a great piece of character driven storytelling.

 

[Tenacity]

Get the right characters and ....

get the right characters and you could do Joe's (sisko) cajin seafood shack, and his friends, and the competing place across the street.