Yeah, the only thing I can think about in this whole discussion is the shot of Kirk's Fortress-of-Solitude closet at the beginning of Beyond filled with identical gold shirts.
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Yeah, the only thing I can think about in this whole discussion is the shot of Kirk's Fortress-of-Solitude closet at the beginning of Beyond filled with identical gold shirts.
As regards to paper trash, I do wonder how they blow their nose in the future? Handkerchief?
Paper towels (and tissues) are probably one of the last remaining uses of traditional paper in the Trek universe.
As regards the separation of a waste reprocessor and garment cleaner, I think that makes a lot of sense since cleaning a shirt would be a very different process from extracting the water & proteins from the captain's "log"
Unless we are proposing that materials are completely broken down into their component molecules each time? That would take a lot of energy!
As regards the separation of a waste reprocessor and garment cleaner, I think that makes a lot of sense since cleaning a shirt would be a very different process from extracting the water & proteins from the captain's "log"
Unless we are proposing that materials are completely broken down into their component molecules each time? That would take a lot of energy!
There's been much input given already, but I thought I'd toss my two cents in. I'm a fan of these deck plans from Strategic Design
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sd-constitution-nx-1700.php
You can see rough arrangements of senior/junior officer & enlisted accommodations (including the bathrooms). Sheet #9 mentions the discarded idea of food distribution via a miniature turbolift network. When it comes to laundry though it mentions common 'drop off terminals' that are included on all decks with quarters FWIW.
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sd-constitution-nx-1700.php
You can see rough arrangements of senior/junior officer & enlisted accommodations (including the bathrooms). Sheet #9 mentions the discarded idea of food distribution via a miniature turbolift network. When it comes to laundry though it mentions common 'drop off terminals' that are included on all decks with quarters FWIW.
Oh, but it does (somewhat)! But the fact of the matter is, MJ's layout of the quarters wasn't perfectly radial either, as the outer walls do not lie at angles on the same radial grid as the corridor. However, when two quarters sets are placed next to each other, with bathrooms the way I've laid them out, you'll see that the outer bathroom wall is parallel the outer "work area" wall of the neighboring cabin. Check out the image below where I've demonstrated this:
You see I've overlaid an image of the stage blueprints over an overhead of my map file. The yellow lines are the radial lines of the corridor set and meet at the center of the deck, whereas the red lines represent the outer walls and dividing brace of the quarters set. You'll see that the 3 red lines do not meet up with each other at the same spot, much less with the radial center of the deck.
Of course, this does not make sense from an engineering standpoint as the structural braces would all align radially from the center in such a real-world case, but again, my goal is not to correct the problems of the sets so that they all fit inside the outer skin of the Enterprise, as I'm no engineer. I'm an artist whose goal is to bring to life the sets, as they were constructed, filling in the blanks to make them appear only from a first person perspective to be part of a real starship.
"Dammit, Jim! I'm an artist, not an engineer!"
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Yeah, I love the Strategic Design deck plans of the Constitution, as I use them often when pondering my own layout!
Also, FWIW, I've read all the materials in TMoST, Mr. Scott's Guide, the TNG Tech Manual, and the above-mentioned Strategic Design Deckplans on the subject of recycling and laundering. All say basically the same thing, that all waste is recycled aboard ship into its constituent elements and reformed into whatever is needed, whether it be raw foodstuffs for meal replication, clean garments, etc.
While dematerialization and reconstruction would be fine for clothes you replicated this morning, there would still need to be a way to clean clothes that have sentimental or historic value. Transporters might put atoms right back to where they were before, but replicators don't, so you wouldn't want to put great grandfather's flight suit into one for cleaning.
To any who don't know, the reason for the off-axis wall of the crew cabin dates back to the first season, when the room sat flush against a radial corridor, the walls of which (being parallel to the 60 degree line) ran contrary to the a wedge shaped radial line. I feel I've talked too much; here's a picture:Oh, but it does (somewhat)! But the fact of the matter is, MJ's layout of the quarters wasn't perfectly radial either, as the outer walls do not lie at angles on the same radial grid as the corridor. However, when two quarters sets are placed next to each other, with bathrooms the way I've laid them out, you'll see that the outer bathroom wall is parallel the outer "work area" wall of the neighboring cabin. Check out the image below where I've demonstrated this:
You see I've overlaid an image of the stage blueprints over an overhead of my map file. The yellow lines are the radial lines of the corridor set and meet at the center of the deck, whereas the red lines represent the outer walls and dividing brace of the quarters set. You'll see that the 3 red lines do not meet up with each other at the same spot, much less with the radial center of the deck.
Of course, this does not make sense from an engineering standpoint as the structural braces would all align radially from the center in such a real-world case, but again, my goal is not to correct the problems of the sets so that they all fit inside the outer skin of the Enterprise, as I'm no engineer. I'm an artist whose goal is to bring to life the sets, as they were constructed, filling in the blanks to make them appear only from a first person perspective to be part of a real starship.
"Dammit, Jim! I'm an artist, not an engineer!"
By season 2, the radial corridor had been relocated slightly to make room for a new multi-purpose room (seen in Donny's picture). The angle of the crew cabin wall however, remained.
Conveniently, Donny's bathroom fills the role of the S1 corridor, so everything still lines up!
To any who don't know, the reason for the off-axis wall of the crew cabin dates back to the first season, when the room sat flush against a radial corridor, the walls of which (being parallel to the 60 degree line) ran contrary to the a wedge shaped radial line. I feel I've talked too much; here's a picture:
By season 2, the radial corridor had been relocated slightly to make room for a new multi-purpose room (seen in Donny's picture). The angle of the crew cabin wall however, remained.
Conveniently, Donny's bathroom fills the role of the S1 corridor, so everything still lines up!
Ah, thanks! I haven't studied the Season 1 plans enough to even notice that, apparently! I'd always wondered why that wall was off-kilter.
I on the other hand have probably studied it way too much!
It's a fascinating piece of design that was probably built in chunks as the scripts demanded and is full of curious quirks like the dead end corridor, off axis engine room and "bulb" in the corridor by Sickbay. Those oddities were ironed out in the S2 rebuild but in doing so we lost that cool "VIP cabin" from Charlie X and COK, plus the gym and theatre were never seen again.
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Worked all day detailing the sink and the shower, and I also moved the sink to the wall opposite the commode, and placed the shower facing a 45 degree angle and in the corner. I like what I've come up with for the shower, but I'm open to suggestions. I drew heavily upon vintage shower fixtures, and had a eureka moment when I decided to line the shower walls with the same radial anisotropic texture we see throughout TOS, most notably on the hexagonal wall decoration (hanging up in K7, or as a beverage tray from "Journey To Babel") and the vertical Jefferies tube. I've lit it with a white light for clarity purposes, but I plan on adding a colorful hue later in the process. Note for the label for the shower knob, turn clockwise for "sonic" and counter-clockwise for "hydro".
(Just noticed the floor is showing up black in the images. Not sure what's going on with that! But will investigate tomorrow and fix. I also have to tweak the refraction settings of the translucent shower door a bit)
(Just noticed the floor is showing up black in the images. Not sure what's going on with that! But will investigate tomorrow and fix. I also have to tweak the refraction settings of the translucent shower door a bit)
I can tell that's from "Balance of Terror" by the bit of the Romulan "cockpit" at the far right.To any who don't know, the reason for the off-axis wall of the crew cabin dates back to the first season, when the room sat flush against a radial corridor, the walls of which (being parallel to the 60 degree line) ran contrary to the a wedge shaped radial line. I feel I've talked too much; here's a picture:
By season 2, the radial corridor had been relocated slightly to make room for a new multi-purpose room (seen in Donny's picture). The angle of the crew cabin wall however, remained.
Conveniently, Donny's bathroom fills the role of the S1 corridor, so everything still lines up!
From what I've seen it looks like in the early 1st season the sets counter-clockwise from the captain's cabin were treated more flexibly than they were later when more of them became standing sets, so you got a number of varying configurations.
The sets didn't always end up matching the plans, either. The phaser control room ended up all re-jiggered from what the blueprints show.
There’s more about this topic on the intrawebs than I would have expected.
Star Trek: The Experience
Paris Spock:
All this and more if you google “Star Trek Enterprise shower.”
Star Trek: The Experience
Paris Spock:
All this and more if you google “Star Trek Enterprise shower.”
That shower is so fitting for TOS it's uncanny! Is that a "door open" button I see as well? Awesome!Worked all day detailing the sink and the shower, and I also moved the sink to the wall opposite the commode, and placed the shower facing a 45 degree angle and in the corner. I like what I've come up with for the shower, but I'm open to suggestions. I drew heavily upon vintage shower fixtures, and had a eureka moment when I decided to line the shower walls with the same radial anisotropic texture we see throughout TOS, most notably on the hexagonal wall decoration (hanging up in K7, or as a beverage tray from "Journey To Babel") and the vertical Jefferies tube. I've lit it with a white light for clarity purposes, but I plan on adding a colorful hue later in the process. Note for the label for the shower knob, turn clockwise for "sonic" and counter-clockwise for "hydro".
(Just noticed the floor is showing up black in the images. Not sure what's going on with that! But will investigate tomorrow and fix. I also have to tweak the refraction settings of the translucent shower door a bit)
Guilty as charged!
They're slightly cleaner than the "Charlie X" plans (which have heavy black lines on the walls) so I tend to default to them.When McCoy got an office and a lab in Season 2, that expanded Sickbay complex gobbled up all the space on the "inner" side of the curved corridor, which had previously served as the wild space where the VIP quarters / Dilthium Recharging room was situated. The extra level in the Engine Room (not to mention the change in shape) would have made it very difficult to redress in the same manner as its S1 counterpart, which was a sad loss.
OTOH we got a lot of purpose built sets like a brig, Auxiliary Control and Emergency Manual Monitor which greatly expanded the interior of our grey lady
So I woke up this morning unsure of how I feel about the shower being very metallic in it's appearance. To me it just seems too modern. I thought I'd at least try a more traditional approach and re-texture it in more of a 1960s color and an acrylic surface.
I know it's not very space-age or futuristic, but to me, this more traditional approach does seem a bit more TOS than the previous version. Thoughts??
I know it's not very space-age or futuristic, but to me, this more traditional approach does seem a bit more TOS than the previous version. Thoughts??
