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Agents of SHIELD season 5

Oh, damn, I wish I could afford to see Infinity War right now. Heck, I haven't even seen Thor: Ragnarok yet.

So they managed to get Talbot into the Graviton costume by justifying it as alien finery. I guess that works. Pasdar's certainly a better choice for Graviton than the guy who played Hall all those years ago.

The Zephyr becoming a rocket was an impressive shot. I liked the space-launch terminology, like MECO (main engine cutoff).

And I guess we can say... Hale and farewell.
 
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! I MEAN TALBOT!

Damn. Talbot has gone completely around the bend at this point. I had hoped there was still hope for him, but as soon as he donned the rubbish beard, I knew we were all doomed. A combination of an unstable mind (thanks, Hale, and now you've paid for that) and immense power, he's destined to become the Destroyer of Worlds.

Thanos name drop! I'm guessing at this point they're
preparing for war in Wakanda. It's only a matter of time now...

I'm starting to wonder if we'll actually see
the results of the finger-snap and members of the team disappearing into dust.

If the team survives all of this shit, it's no longer a team. Daisy and Yo-Yo are trading blows, Mack is disgusted with both Yo-Yo and Leo (and presumably Jemma although it went unspoken here), May is livid with Yo-Yo. At least everyone seems to have forgiven Piper.
 
I think Deke was enjoyable here for the first time since he went back in time. A little more of his old personality and I liked the telling dialogue that instead of going outside he's still stuck in the lighthouse.
 
So, I'm trying to run the timetable in my head. IW begins in NYC in the morning. Then it's night in Scotland when Thanos's goons make their first play for Vision. It's daylight again (right?) when Cap's team returns to Avengers HQ and then... was there anything else that happened Earthside before they turned up in Wakanda (also during the day, also apparently in the first half of the day given how much stuff was done from their arrival to the end of the film). So IW takes place over about thirty-six to fifty hours, depending on whether the reconstituted Avengers get from Scotland to New York to Wackanda immediately or if there are any unseen delays.

So, assuming Thanos's ship arrived more-or-less the same time as the Confederacy ship, at this point, it's late at night on day one/early morning day two, so after the attack on Vision and Wanda, but before the Avengers are reunited at their secret base where all the buildings are rearranged between every movie. With two more episodes left in the season and this degree of decompressed storytelling, I think we're on-track for the Snapture to happen in the finale.

How AoS deals with it will also be our first clue about how it's going to be resolved, as in whether there are time-travel shenanigans that means the Snapture never happens, or whether the missing half return to life after some amount of time.

At this point, though, I'm not counting out the idea that they actually do destroy the Earth, and next season is, at least partially, an extended version of TNG's "Cause and Effect," or Doctor Who's "Heaven Sent," or Stargate: Universe's "Time," where we get to see them finally set up an iteration that doesn't end up with the Earth destroyed, with them saving the planet just in time for Avengers 4 to take place. There are obvious flaws in this theory, such as burning an entire season (which they couldn't count on getting at all) on retreading the previous season, which is either daring or stupid, but I'm having trouble how seeing how they'll be able to both answer the question of how the Earth gets destroyed and have the characters out-think themselves enough to prevent the Earth from being destroyed.

Emh said:
If the team survives all of this shit, it's no longer a team. Daisy and Yo-Yo are trading blows, Mack is disgusted with both Yo-Yo and Leo (and presumably Jemma although it went unspoken here), May is livid with Yo-Yo. At least everyone seems to have forgiven Piper.
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Well, they've still got that extra Fitz once they change the future, if they decide the current one's gone a little too far down the path of evil.
 
I kept wondering why the topic of Thanos was presented as a future threat in this latest episode of “AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.”. Then it occurred to me. Marvel/Disney had released “INFINITY WAR” a week earlier than it was originally slated to be released. Which means that Kevin Feige failed to take in consideration how the Infinity War topic would be used on the show. Typical of him.

Is it just me or was Talbot a lot scarier than Thanos?

As much as I love all our regulars, I could see a season without May, Mack, or Fitz, with Piper promoted to full regular.
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That's enough for me to stop watching the show.
 
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LJones41 said:
I kept wondering why the topic of Thanos was presented as a future threat in this latest episode of “AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.”. Then it occurred to me. Marvel/Disney had released “INFINITY WAR” a week earlier than it was originally slated to be released. Which means that Kevin Feige failed to take in consideration how the Infinity War topic would be used on the show. Typical of him.
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I think it might've been better coordinated than you think. Or least had some buffer built into it. The Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron tie-ins were very precisely timed, but a lot of the other movies had their tie-ins more loosely aligned with the show. Nobody would freak out if we saw a portal that looked suspiciously like a sling-ring a week or two further or closer to Dr. Strange, for instance.

AoS is both being fairly vague about what's actually happening with IW, but also seems to have timed it out so that the last four episodes (I presume; these past two at least, who knows what the future holds) take place concurrently with it (which, to be fair, is really irritating from a watching-stuff-in-order perspective.
 
I haven't seen this week's episode yet and I also haven't seen Infinity War yet. Can someone tell me (either here or by PM) if the show spoiled anything major about Infinity War? Like who dies or stuff like that?
 
David cgc said:
So, I'm trying to run the timetable in my head. IW begins in NYC in the morning. Then it's night in Scotland when Thanos's goons make their first play for Vision. It's daylight again (right?) when Cap's team returns to Avengers HQ and then... was there anything else that happened Earthside before they turned up in Wakanda (also during the day, also apparently in the first half of the day given how much stuff was done from their arrival to the end of the film). So IW takes place over about thirty-six to fifty hours, depending on whether the reconstituted Avengers get from Scotland to New York to Wackanda immediately or if there are any unseen delays.

So, assuming Thanos's ship arrived more-or-less the same time as the Confederacy ship, at this point, it's late at night on day one/early morning day two, so after the attack on Vision and Wanda, but before the Avengers are reunited at their secret base where all the buildings are rearranged between every movie. With two more episodes left in the season and this degree of decompressed storytelling, I think we're on-track for the Snapture to happen in the finale.

How AoS deals with it will also be our first clue about how it's going to be resolved, as in whether there are time-travel shenanigans that means the Snapture never happens, or whether the missing half return to life after some amount of time.
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I wouldn't sweat the details too much. Indeed I'm pretty sure the timing of events in the 'Fall of SHIELD' arc doesn't exactly line up with TWS.

BigFoot said:
I haven't seen this week's episode yet and I also haven't seen Infinity War yet. Can someone tell me (either here or by PM) if the show spoiled anything major about Infinity War? Like who dies or stuff like that?
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Not so far. Literally all that's been said is "Thanos is already attacking", which is about as much of a spoiler as "Tony Stark just said something sarcastic." ;)
 
Emh said:
Talbot has gone completely around the bend at this point. I had hoped there was still hope for him, but as soon as he donned the rubbish beard, I knew we were all doomed. A combination of an unstable mind (thanks, Hale, and now you've paid for that) and immense power, he's destined to become the Destroyer of Worlds.
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Having Franklin Hall's and Ian Quinn's minds inside him, and now that alien Confederacy member as well, is surely not helping his mental stability. Those are some bad dudes, at least Quinn and the alien. I'm reminded of how Clifford DeVoe on The Flash has gotten more evil and less human the more minds he's absorbed into his own. (For that matter, the "kill a council member and casually note that there's now an opening on the council" move is the same one Ricardo Diaz pulled on Arrow a couple of weeks ago.)


David cgc said:
At this point, though, I'm not counting out the idea that they actually do destroy the Earth, and next season is, at least partially, an extended version of TNG's "Cause and Effect," or Doctor Who's "Heaven Sent," or Stargate: Universe's "Time," where we get to see them finally set up an iteration that doesn't end up with the Earth destroyed, with them saving the planet just in time for Avengers 4 to take place.
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Unlikely. The producers have said that they rarely learn whether they're renewed until after they've finished making a season, so they make each season finale to work as a series finale. Particularly this year, since their fate was more uncertain than usual. So whatever happens, it's not going to be a cliffhanger.
 
My prediction for the season finale is that AoS will of course save the earth from exploding and stop the invasion but at the very end, we'll get a reference to
Thanos defeating the Avengers and getting all 6 stones and the finale will end on the cliffhanger of half the cast turning to ash like in the movie
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My prediction for the season finale is that AoS will of course save the earth from exploding and stop the invasion but at the very end, we'll get a reference to
Thanos defeating the Avengers and getting all 6 stones and the finale will end on the cliffhanger of half the cast turning to ash like in the movie
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That wouldn't work, considering that "AVENGERS 4" won't be released until May 2019 and if "AGENTS OF SHIELD" is renewed, it will return before that date.


I think it might've been better coordinated than you think. Or least had some buffer built into it. The Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron tie-ins were very precisely timed, but a lot of the other movies had their tie-ins more loosely aligned with the show.
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Not this loose, especially since some of the events of "THE INFINITY WAR" happened on Earth. I just think that Marvel and Feige screwed up by allowing the movie to be released a week earlier, all because the latter wants nothing to do with the TV shows. He didn't consider that the movie and the series would not be coordinated . . . and I don't think he cared one way or the other.
 
I wonder how much the AoS writers were aware of the plot of Infinity War when writing and then shooting. The young Kasius from the Confederacy meeting did say...
...Thanos was the threat to Earth, with an attack unfolding below, they were never planning to stop. That's obviously not even remotely close to what Thanos did or planned, although in the scene Strange gave up his infinity stone, Thanos did tell Stark or Strange he was going to spare the Earth, so I suspect him destroying the Earth was on the table.

I wonder was Kasius lying, as I expect he would, or was that the writers simply not knowing what treats Thanos posed? Because I'm certain Kree suffered from Thanos' attack as much as the humans did. Then, of course, I also expect that the Kasius didn't know the full extent of Thanos' plan, or else he would probably ask S.H.I.E.L.D. to join him in the fight in Wakanda.

That being said, I wonder if the resolution to Earth's destruction may be linked to...
...people disintegrating or what lead to it.

Thanos' victory did use the time infinity stone, which messed with time. Wong warned Strange that using it could have unforeseen consequences, so much so that Karl Mordo lost it over its use even for the purpose of saving the world, even turned into a vigilante stealing people's mystic powers. Furthermore, time may need to be broken further to restore half of the people in the universe, if reintegrating them within the current timeline is not possible.

So perhaps Time infinity stone shenanigans may be what disrupts the time loop. Subtly so, or... the sudden disappearance of half of everyone could give the surviving S.H.I.E.L.D. agents enough of an edge to prevent the planet's destruction.

If Yo-Yo is right, and saving Coulson is the reason they fail, Coulson disintegrating – even temporarily – could be all that is needed.

I doubt it will be included so directly in the resolution itself, but I'm sure it will play a role, even if it is not mentioned at all. The destruction of the Earth throughout the season so far is depicted as solidly inevitable, and every episode makes it even more so. So far it seems there hasn't been a single step towards preventing it.

Christopher said:
(For that matter, the "kill a council member and casually note that there's now an opening on the council" move is the same one Ricardo Diaz pulled on Arrow a couple of weeks ago.)
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Spoiler tags exist for a reason. There's a plus-sign (+) button above the posting window to use them.
 
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Spoilers get interesting when the events of the movie intertwine with the series itself. I wonder if the show itself will spoil the movie before the end of the season.
 
If it doesn't, that would have interesting implications for the sequel.

Although I watched Ultron after S.H.I.E.L.D.'s following season had spoiled it for me, and that wasn't as spoiling as it seemed.

ETA: Heh, I realised the person who chose not to warn the world of Ultron is now a skeleton in FitzSimmons' lab. HISHE also gets interesting when the events of movies intertwine with the series. Age of Ultron should have ended with Jiaying. :guffaw:
 
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