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GR vs. JJ
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Were GR still with us, he'd be wishing JJ continued success. He might admit that he's not a great fan of it, if he felt that way, but I suspect that he'd have no bad feelings about how STAR TREK has evolved, in the past decade. Embracing change was one of GR's favourite mantras, after all ...
Were GR still with us, he'd be wishing JJ continued success. He might admit that he's not a great fan of it, if he felt that way, but I suspect that he'd have no bad feelings about how STAR TREK has evolved, in the past decade. Embracing change was one of GR's favourite mantras, after all ...
If GR was still with us, he'd be sweating bullets over the #MeToo campaign. Assuming he is ever lucid enough to know what's going on in the world.
And, also, he hated Star Treks II through VI. He would hate, and possibly "de-canonize," anything not made directly with his input.
Pretty much this. It's one of the (albeit many) reasons I think Trek 09 is better than it is given credit for. It truly has some elements that reflect the adventurous spirit of TOS while doing its own thing.Were GR still with us, he'd be wishing JJ continued success. He might admit that he's not a great fan of it, if he felt that way, but I suspect that he'd have no bad feelings about how STAR TREK has evolved, in the past decade. Embracing change was one of GR's favourite mantras, after all ...
There are 237 thousand and some change, per Data in "Parallels".
As GR's favorite mantra?
Data is a notorious liar. Everyone knows that!
Define "fittest" first.
GR's versions were far more intellectual, being told to make it more action-based. TNG comes closest as "The Cage" feels like proto-TNG rather than proto-TOS.
But TOS still had the big moral lesson or ideology. "Beyond" had it as well. "Into Darkness" had some. ST2009 almost felt contrarian at times. But ST rarely worked as well on the big screen.
JJ's use of alternate timeline is fairly brilliant, but then he did nothing except coast on the superficial stereotypes of the characters (slutty Kirk with all the green women, all the catchphrases for the others, taking ideas GR once wanted (galactic transporter instead of 1701D, Spock+Uhura instead of Chapel unrequited for Spock, etc) and apart from Spock/Uhura didn't do too much... the terrorist angle into STID (and the double double cross) were still first rate IMHO... even with the lady who carbon copied Elizabeth Dehner's hairdo and wandered around claiming she's Carol Marcus. I wrote simple fluff like that for creative writing classes in high school. But ID and B both more than made up for 09's shortcomings. B is the best, IMHO, as well, since it had some not dissimilar themes to ID but felt like a much tighter story. And made its own villains worthy of hating instead of digging up Khan and putting in an actor who played him like any ol' generic heavy.
And people will completely disagree with everything in your post. Everyone says that about each other. The only seeming difference is a lack of including reasoning and/or example and/or belief as to why you disagree.
And Wonder Woman. Three times in the 1970s (Crosby, Carter/ABC, and Carter/CBS). Once in the 1960s (the best-forgotten Dozier pitch to the execs.) Carter/ABC nailed it the best and Carter/CBS started strong but then dived into the middle of Cliché-opolis with aliens from outer space, big robots, and plots getting dumber and dumber each week - because kids love robots and aliens from outer space, go figure. Then came the notorious third season because, as we all know, the plots can be superficial but if the music is trendy and disco that'll fix everything.
The Gault's Brain episode has to be seen to be disbelieved, especially as the villains scarper and are never seen again in any new dastardly plot.It's a shame that Christopher Reeve's version, at least the first two movies and arguably the third if they didn't replace Donner with Lester, felt like the truest version to the comic book. It's a bit saccharine nowadays I suppose, but it's innocent and feels believable. Superman always saved lives. Didn't stand by and let people die. RLH and others have all gone into the modern movies and ripped them where not inappropriate, thankfully. Then again, there are several dozen variants of Superman, and the one where he dies, etc, so it's not going to matter as much.
Even Planet of the Apes (1968) came from an old novel. newer takes don't always recapture the indefinable underlying magic of the original and that can be due to many reasons. writing quality, actor quality, directors phoning it in, etc. Indeed, 1968 "Apes" altered a lot of the original book's setting that, for better or worse, more recent remakes (even Burton's) that tried to stay true to the novel are still appreciated. 1968's direction and acting made up for the lack of technology the Ape civilization had.
So did Wizard of Oz... the new one with Franco wasn't spectacular. The 1939 one has dated as well but it feels more sincere. And truly amazing effects given the lack of technology at the time.
TNG also proved one could restart a major franchise if the right staff are involved (Pillar, et al in particular. I like some of season 1, adore much of season 2, but those first two years feel like a weird continuation of TOS. Not because they had models of the 1960s ships in various rooms for no reason, did they need to be that heavyhanded in nodding the references?)
TNG also seems like “TMP the series” since a lot of things for TNG were directly lifted from TMP/Phase2 and only had the names changed.
I sometimes wonder what Trek would be like if Meyer actually had a budget for TWOK and didn’t have to use hand-me-down sets/models/effects from TMP, I bet it would seem a lot more rebootier than it already does, and maybe we’d all have been prepped for a less continuous whole 35 years ago.
From what I understand, if Meyer had the dream budget for TWOK he would have redesigned the Enterprise interiors to look a lot more like the Nostromo from ALIEN. So that gives you an idea of what his take would have been. I think his redressing of Enterprise-A in TUC probably came closest to that as possible with the budget he had for that.
Haters can't help but hate. Just look at the Discovery section.
And Wonder Woman. Three times in the 1970s (Crosby, Carter/ABC, and Carter/CBS). Once in the 1960s (the best-forgotten Dozier pitch to the execs.) Carter/ABC nailed it the best and Carter/CBS started strong but then dived into the middle of Cliché-opolis with aliens from outer space, big robots, and plots getting dumber and dumber each week - because kids love robots and aliens from outer space, go figure. Then came the notorious third season because, as we all know, the plots can be superficial but if the music is trendy and disco that'll fix everything.
You need to rewatch the first season, from ABC. All the "aliens from outer space, big robots" et cetera of the later seasons date from there, to the point the primary alien from outer space is the same one as seen in the second season (though recast). Except the little 'bot at IADC headquarters. That was inspired directly by R2D2. And most fans consider the entire series as a single entity. Likening the 'update to the modern era' to a different animal is like saying the color version of LIS a different show, because it's a flagrant comedy.
Me, I'm disappointed they didn't come up with a reason for Debra Winger to reprise Wonder Girl in the '70s. That would have been fun.
It's hard to believe the bland nature of the plots for the movies so far. It's become a bad comic book nightmare that I can't believe is being allowed to continue. There is nothing remotely Star Trek about them. GR is spinning in space. I thought Star Wars was bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to current Trek. JJ doesn't have any original credentials in my mind. He's only cluttered up the airwaves with failed tv pilots and rip offs. The contamination is irrevocable.
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