Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread

[Guy Gardener]

Vulcan is (potentially) not the original homeworld. (TOS Return to Tomorrow.)

The Romulans were the only species on Vulcan before Surak had his epiphany. Even Surak was a Romulan until he wasn't (Jesus was a Jew). Unless the Romulans took a new name as a Species during their exile, looking for a new home, how likely is it that the home world of the Romulans was called Vulcan?

 

[Captrek]

Also, the moments where they nerfed Thanos abilities was not just obvious but often times annoyingly so. I'm talking about Thanos, a guy who beat the Hulk down before having all the stones, not exploding Caps head when he punched him, or Tony, or anyone lower than Hulk level really.

If he wanted to explode Cap's head, I imagine he could have.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Thanos is not (just) ridiculously strong.

The Power Stone ups his stats when needed.

He didn't need the Power Stone to fight Steve.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

The ending of Avengers suggested that Thanos was unfamiliar with Earth. Unlikely if it was in his home star system.

Also, Ebony Maw's ship took at least as long to get from Earth to Titan as the Guardians took to get from the Asgardian Ark to Knowhere.

And lastly, the Titan in this movie looked nothing like Titan, moon of Saturn.

It also had its own moon, which makes it unlikely to be the moon of Saturn.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I am still growing through these posts (up to about page 12), so some thoughts... in addition how i loved the movie , but considering we have the seuqels coming... almost not so shocking, at least to me.

Thanos for President of the Universe.

MAKE THE UNIVERSE GREAT AGAIN

MUGA!!??!!

I think the slogan should be "Make the Universe Half Again (Helping All)

MU HA (HA)

So I haven't gone through the 12 pages of this thread, but I saw the movie yesterday, and I really enjoyed it.


2. What was up with Hulk? He loses one fight and becomes a coward? This will clearly be answered in the next movie. It's so interesting to see a version of the Hulk like this because it's a lot different than other versions. Banner is in a really good place with the Hulk. He's no longer a curse. In some ways, he's a little like Shazam. Or Heman. Not quite, since Hulk seems to have a separate personality though and doesn't have Banner's intelligence.

That said, why DID Hulk lose so easily? I realize from a writing standpoint, they made Hulk into Worf--a guy who the villain beats up to show he's formidable. That said though, Hulk has always been fairly unstoppable. The more of a beating he takes, the angrier he gets, and the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets, which should make him very tough to beat. For Thanos to take him out so easily goes against what the Hulk is. My reaction to that was that they didn't make Thanos look strong. They made Hulk look weak by dumbing his powers down. DC makes that mistake all the time with Superman. And IF Thanos is that strong that he could beat the Hulk THAT easily, Iron Man should NEVER have been able to come close to even drawing blood..

Hasn't he been the Hulk for like 2 years straight? He is "burnt out" I would think. Something special will have to trigger him.

They SHOULD have made a cameo. Let's not forget, when SHIELD went down in Captain America II: Electric Boogaloo, Agents of SHIELD addressed it the very next episode. Movie fallout has made it onto this show several times.

I agree... but they mentioned something weird happening in New York....but i haven't finished that episode...so HOPEFULLY a connection...

 

[Awesome Possum]

Spoiler: Ending Stuff

One of the things that I liked about all the characters turning to ash, despite knowing they'll be back, was the emotional impact of it. Nearly all of them were ones that really devastating due to how it impacted the survivors because the development over the last decade. Rocket has lost Groot and the other Guardians after his whole arc being trying to push the others away because he's afraid of losing them. Cap lost Bucky after finally getting his best friend back after 70 years, having to see him die, show back up brainwashed and destroying the Avengers and becoming a criminal to save him. Then there's Spider-Man, a 15 year old kid who willing climbed into a spaceship because he thought he could help his hero and mentor Iron Man. Iron Man at this point is still suffering from PTSD he got during the Battle of New York, causing him to do everything in his power to protect the Earth, his fellow heroes and taken it upon himself to help this smart young kid who might remind him a bit of himself. Peter didn't have the wealth, but he clearly has a knack for science and engineering and he wants to help people. He even says in Spider-Man Homecoming that if anything happened to him. Then he watches him turn to dust in his arms (the way he falls into his arms even resembles the "hug" scene from Homecoming) as he begs not to die. He even apologizes to Tony for dying, like he failed him. Peter dies thinking he failed his hero. And Tony is left alone, knowing that he failed to save Earth, the Avengers, Peter and the universe.

The movie itself was dark in a way that the DCEU films wish they could be. It works because after all these years these characters have grown and formed emotional connections that mattered to the audience. When dark things happened, it actually meant something. It wasn't dark for the sake of being dark.

 

[Reverend]

No. You completely missed the point of my argument. Your examples don't even work for what I am addressing. "America" the word for the place is (slightly but critically) distinct from "American" the word for the people. I say that not only should MCU Titan not be called "Titan", but someone from the place "Titan" should not also be identically called "Titan".

For example, while I love the Vulcan species in Star Trek, I consider it bullshit that the overwhelmingly used name for their homeworld is the exact same word.

Well that's just grammatical semantics. Sometimes adjectives are spelt indistinguishably from their root noun. That's just how it is.

 

[jep316]

The Cap meets Groot scene was funny..but thinking about it..Groot was probably actually telling Steve his name that time.

 

[dahj]

The Cap meets Groot scene was funny..but thinking about it..Groot was probably actually telling Steve his name that time.

I think he said "Nice beard dude."

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I think he said "Nice beard dude."

Which reminds me: I'm thrilled he kept the beard for the whole film, as oppose to shaving it off a third into the story after coming out of exile (if the film followed the trope, he would have shaved it off at Avengers HQ). As someone with a beard, I'm so very tired of that trope.

 

[Venardhi]

The "shaving as rebirth" trope only bothers me in as far as no one actually looks good immediately after shaving their beard off for the first time in months or years. There's blotchy redness and puffiness and uneven skin tone and for the next few hours you're convinced you've made a terrible mistake and you simply forgot how awful your face always was under the beard.

 

[LJones41]

The movie itself was dark in a way that the DCEU films wish they could be

I don't agree. The DCEU films, especially those by Snyder, were dark in a way that I don't feel that "Infinity Wars" ever really was . . . especially on a psychological level.

 

[Spot261]

I'm boycotting any movie where Cap has a beard, cause CANON!!!!!!

 

[BillJ]

Wife loved it. I fell asleep.

 

[Relayer1]

I loved it (no, I'm not married to Billj) and it's right up there with Winter Soldier in my favourite Marvel movies.

I have it an 'A' - might even have given it full marks of it wasn't for the somewhat underwhelming post credit scene.

 

[Samurai8472]

Disney- Congratulations

Disney- Why thank you.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

...And Tony takes one look at the lightsaber, then tosses it nonchalantly over his shoulder.

...And then he incorporates the saber's tech into his armor anyway, using the scans he took when he looked at it. He also patents the tech.

Jerk.

Mark

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The mad, mad, almost sane theory of how Adam West's Batman is in the same universe as Infinity War.

 

[Noname Given]

I hate when a demographic group and its home location have the exact same name. It's so lazy. And in the case of the MCU, it obfuscates how Titan is unrelated to the real life moon of Saturn as in other continuities. Why can't the planet be called "Titania" or "Titanland" or something like that while the species takes the term "one Titan / many Titans"?

What Obfuscation. In the actual comics it WAS/IS Titan, the moon of Saturn. There's zero reason to believe it isn't Titan, the moon of Saturn in the MCU. Again, the MCU isn't our 'Universe' - so whatever Titan looks like here, it's obviously different in the MCU.

Seriously, we're talking a Universe with living gods, and things like radiation giving people super powers, so you're going to complain - "Hey, in our universe Titan is lifeless, so it can't be Titan in the MCU..." sheesh.

 

[dahj]

The mad, mad, almost sane theory of how Adam West's Batman is in the same universe as Infinity War.

Also, the movie ends with this...

... which is even stronger evidence they're in the same universe.