personally, I'm expecting a "look at the flowers..." style resolution between Madison and the brat. (With luck they'll take each other out.)
Fear the Walking Dead Season 4 discussion and spoilers.
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I actually am surprised they killed off Nick. As they said on Talking Dead afterwards, he's basically the Darryl of the series. That is, he seems to be the one the writers love writing for the most as he seems to always get prime story content each season. Still, a truly unexpected moment that actually for once conveys the idea that anyone can die.
I was surprised. Nick's death was one of the most shocking deaths of the franchise.
Earl would like a word with you. Probably about Karma.
I like the new characters a lot more than the old ones! Though, yes, Morgan is the best of them all.
I was definitely shocked...but reading this interview, it sounds like even HE is sick of the writing on Fear, especially for his character.
That car ride with Madison and Nick...it seemed like the dialogue was flipped... for a time, at least, it seems like Nick was looking at the bright side of things. But they seemed to write him into...well, nothing.
So different from TWD, where Carol made an actual journey, heck even Morgan, in like 4 episodes (spread out over years) made a wild journey.
Now....is the Walking Dead rule still in effect... only one African AMericab male at a time? Is Strand doomed?
That car ride with Madison and Nick...it seemed like the dialogue was flipped... for a time, at least, it seems like Nick was looking at the bright side of things. But they seemed to write him into...well, nothing.
So different from TWD, where Carol made an actual journey, heck even Morgan, in like 4 episodes (spread out over years) made a wild journey.
Now....is the Walking Dead rule still in effect... only one African AMericab male at a time? Is Strand doomed?
Walking Dead doesn't really follow that rule anymore, in the most recent season we have Morgan, Gabriel, and Ezekiel.
Regardless, I doubt they'll kill Strand off anytime soon. He's someone else the writers seem to enjoy writing for, and Colman Domingo seems happy with the show. Besides, with Daniel apparently gone, Strand is the most interesting of the original cast left now.
I just caught up with season three last week (which I found to be excellent, only slowing down a little at the dam the last episodes). Season four, while the premiere was initially interesting enough to get me to go back to catch up, now seems like it's heading in a disappointing direction. These time jumps are awkward and I feel like the new showrunners actively wanted to drop everything from season three and head their own direction... Which isn't a bad or wrong thing necessarily, but I'm sad to see a lot of it go, like where they seemed to be heading with Nick questioning if Madison would ever kill him. Was really shocked to see Nick go, but not in a powerful way like when Travis went. This last episode really felt like an episode off TWD and I'm not really feeling it as a whole. Hoping it will bring back some of that "regular people" feel that made season 3 good. They're starting to feel like cartoons right now... But it's still quite early to judge.
It felt like the DS9 relaunch books getting a time jump and then filling in the cracks retroactively and not even chronologically. It left each individual time frame a bit weaker in more cases than not.
It felt like the DS9 relaunch books getting a time jump and then filling in the cracks retroactively and not even chronologically. It left each individual time frame a bit weaker in more cases than not.
I don't mind the time shifted storylines running concurrently. Though, the very nature of it means that theoretically speaking we will continue to see Nick and perhaps Vulture Ennis throughout the season, and indeed the actor who played Ennis did indicate on Talking Dead he will be in a few more episodes yet. That said, I would prefer they wrap up the past storyline sooner than later.
See with me, I knew Travis was going to get killed during the third season based mostly on the news that Cliff Curtis was going to be in the Avatar sequels. I wasn't expecting him to be killed off right away in the premiere, but I wasn't shocked he was killed off. With Nick, it really did come at me out of the blue, especially since I had been unaware of Frank Dillane's desire to move on with his career.
Ah, I hadn't known about either planning to opt out of the series. Given both of the deaths, I liked the way Travis went out better. I think what's turned me off on this time jump is that one of the things I liked out of season 3 and the series as a whole was the time compression. It really felt one scene led to the next and the days and nights we saw were happening in real time. It really pulled me into the series. There weren't any beats or character development we missed, and it felt stronger for it.
Now, I kind of feel like we're watching the misadventures of the Mirror Clarks and its not as powerful. The Nick we see die is the Nick that had those nice scenes with Madison in the stadium, but then there's a disconnect between those Clarks and the ones I just had my heart torn apart with in S3 (Seriously, S3 is so sharp in my mind, this might be having a huge effect on my reaction to S4)
I'm wondering if we're seeing the downfall of the entire Clark family, and the introduction of Morgan and co. are a season long changing of the guard. I wouldn't be surprised if Madison is killed by the midseason finale, and Alicia goes out in the finale. All their characters are really defined by their relationship to each other as a family. The entire introduction of Al as a character could be to record their stories, so that they will live on through the new members of the main cast. I don't want to see it happen this way, I think Madison and Alicia were great characters at the end of last season. But right now they feel like they're being written with bland 'default' personalities again.
Now, I kind of feel like we're watching the misadventures of the Mirror Clarks and its not as powerful. The Nick we see die is the Nick that had those nice scenes with Madison in the stadium, but then there's a disconnect between those Clarks and the ones I just had my heart torn apart with in S3 (Seriously, S3 is so sharp in my mind, this might be having a huge effect on my reaction to S4)
I'm wondering if we're seeing the downfall of the entire Clark family, and the introduction of Morgan and co. are a season long changing of the guard. I wouldn't be surprised if Madison is killed by the midseason finale, and Alicia goes out in the finale. All their characters are really defined by their relationship to each other as a family. The entire introduction of Al as a character could be to record their stories, so that they will live on through the new members of the main cast. I don't want to see it happen this way, I think Madison and Alicia were great characters at the end of last season. But right now they feel like they're being written with bland 'default' personalities again.
Oh, cool! Another god damn "past" and "present" episode! Because we haven't gotten enough of the shit out of The Walking Dead 
And we even got the sappy music playing as random character about to die is suddenly given inordinate amounts of screen time!
And we even got the sappy music playing as random character about to die is suddenly given inordinate amounts of screen time! 
Oh, cool! Another god damn "past" and "present" episode! Because we haven't gotten enough of the shit out of The Walking Dead
Get used to the non linear storytelling. It's the format for the season, if not the show going forward.
"Random character?" "Suddenly given inordinate amounts of screen time?" Nick's hardly a random character, indeed he's one character the writers have always seemed to enjoy writing material for. Suddenly given inordinate amounts of screen time is not accurate at all. He's always gotten proportionately more than the other characters. Hell, back in season 2 there was an entire episode devoted to him walking down a highway, and aside from a brief scene with Madison, he was the only one from the main cast to appear in it.
Ah, if only....but the showrunners are trying hard to make Madison the Rick Grimes of FTWD (lead character with baggage and family responsibilities)...even if its not working.
Actually, Nick had more screen time/plots devoted to him than Daryl had over the past two and half seasons of TWD. Other than the episode where he met Dwight in the woods, and being a prisoner of Negan, the last time Daryl had any substantial development/storylines was 4B / 5A. After that, he's been more flavor than substance, with an increasing number of stupid character turns tossed in.
Isn't he talking about Vulture Ennis?
I don't recall "sappy music" being played during Ennis's death scene, but maybe I'm just misremembering.
Fear the Walking Dead--
"Buried"
Luciana: Her thirst for revenge....not too keen on where that will go.
Morgan: So far, he's just a spectator. Yes, the season is young, but his real purpose for being on this show is a mystery.
Alicia: the water slide scene was sort of entertaining, in that the walkers were actually the threat instead of the living.
Strand: More time was needed to focus on his reaction to Nick's death; it was Nick who first encountered Strand in the army holding area, and bonded with him from the start (at a time when the rest of the Clarks and Daniel were either suspicious or combative toward him).
What's the point of the showrunners still making Strand a cutthroat by hoarding food? Its as though the showrunners are determined to make him the villain in one way or another--even when he has a change of heart. This has been a running "thing" for the showrunners since season one.
Althea: Still very annoying with her interviews. Unless there's a civilization waiting for these records as some sort of audition (think Deanna at the Alexandria Safe Zone). under the circumstances, no one would put up with answering her meaningless questions.
John Dorie: Sort of forcing his instant connection to Morgan. What is it based on? Saving each other one time? Oh, and Naomi just so happened to be the one Dorie is looking for? Far too convenient.
Mel: Always has one hand in his pocket. Bitten or cut off--or hiding something (not as obvious as a weapon), the director calls attention to that with every appearance.
NOTES: Enough of the flashbacks/flash forwards. That was abused on The Walking Dead.
"Buried"
Luciana: Her thirst for revenge....not too keen on where that will go.
Morgan: So far, he's just a spectator. Yes, the season is young, but his real purpose for being on this show is a mystery.
Alicia: the water slide scene was sort of entertaining, in that the walkers were actually the threat instead of the living.
Strand: More time was needed to focus on his reaction to Nick's death; it was Nick who first encountered Strand in the army holding area, and bonded with him from the start (at a time when the rest of the Clarks and Daniel were either suspicious or combative toward him).
What's the point of the showrunners still making Strand a cutthroat by hoarding food? Its as though the showrunners are determined to make him the villain in one way or another--even when he has a change of heart. This has been a running "thing" for the showrunners since season one.
Althea: Still very annoying with her interviews. Unless there's a civilization waiting for these records as some sort of audition (think Deanna at the Alexandria Safe Zone). under the circumstances, no one would put up with answering her meaningless questions.
John Dorie: Sort of forcing his instant connection to Morgan. What is it based on? Saving each other one time? Oh, and Naomi just so happened to be the one Dorie is looking for? Far too convenient.
Mel: Always has one hand in his pocket. Bitten or cut off--or hiding something (not as obvious as a weapon), the director calls attention to that with every appearance.
NOTES: Enough of the flashbacks/flash forwards. That was abused on The Walking Dead.
