Yes, that was beautifully done, and they should have won an Emmy.
Best & Worse Uses of Stock Footage
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Yes, that was beautifully done, and they should have won an Emmy.
We even saw the same spacesuited guy doing a forward flip and waving the ship goodbye. Did Starfleet have a designated acrobat/waver?
The stellar cartography set, the HMS Enterprise, and the ultimately unused new GEN uniforms were what blew most of the budget. Michael Okuda mentioned that the Enterprise-B was originally even going to be a new design (along with Lursa and Be'tor's original Klingon ship) before the budget necessitated reusing the Excelsior.
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^I never understood why they even bothered making new uniforms for GEN. The TNG uniforms were fine and actually fit the cast. Frakes looked ridiculous in Brooks’ DS9 costume.
Yes. Pretty sure he was at the Enterprise NX-01's launch, too!
Strong union.
Best for me is the Voyager ep that uses snippets from Event Horizon. Because if you didn't know, it would just seem like horror shit that they made themselves.
Worst is the oft-mentioned Generations BOP explosion. What You Leave Behind may have done a dirty with so much stock footage but for the finale of a big budget film, there really is no excuse. It happened due to poor planning and crappy decision making.
Worst is the oft-mentioned Generations BOP explosion. What You Leave Behind may have done a dirty with so much stock footage but for the finale of a big budget film, there really is no excuse. It happened due to poor planning and crappy decision making.
Not to keep putting the boot in to the Generations climax, but what makes it worse is it doesn't even match the dialogue. Riker asks for multiple torpedoes! Though why they didn't change that in ADR during post production I'll never know.
I remember on the commentary David Carson is so proud of having fought for the sailing ship opening even though Paramount wanted it dropped for taking up a disproportionate amount of the schedule and budget and all I could think was "They were right mate, that money and time could have been better spent elsewhere".
With Khan at least most of the reuse is at the start of the film, it makes sure to put the new stuff where it matters. Though I've never been sure why Kirk and co didn't just beam aboard and save using that part of the sequence. If they wanted to avoid the cost of a beam effect, they could have just shown them exiting the transporter room after arriving (having the conversation they have in the shuttle as they walk to their formal reception) down the hall).
Mind, I think TWOK does the docking scene better. It knows it's an amazing effects sequence and that you don't need the characters watching it with awed expressions to sell it so it's shorter and the interaction in the pod adds more to the film.
I remember on the commentary David Carson is so proud of having fought for the sailing ship opening even though Paramount wanted it dropped for taking up a disproportionate amount of the schedule and budget and all I could think was "They were right mate, that money and time could have been better spent elsewhere".
With Khan at least most of the reuse is at the start of the film, it makes sure to put the new stuff where it matters. Though I've never been sure why Kirk and co didn't just beam aboard and save using that part of the sequence. If they wanted to avoid the cost of a beam effect, they could have just shown them exiting the transporter room after arriving (having the conversation they have in the shuttle as they walk to their formal reception) down the hall).
Mind, I think TWOK does the docking scene better. It knows it's an amazing effects sequence and that you don't need the characters watching it with awed expressions to sell it so it's shorter and the interaction in the pod adds more to the film.
I forgot about that one! What the F did Tuvok go though before joining the USS Voyager???
Actually I was referring not to the DS9 uniforms (which I agree were used for no good reason), but an actual new alternative style of uniform made but not used, except for some early Playmates action figure toys.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/starfleet1701st/abandoned-generations-uniform-t1021.html
Aww, I liked the stuff on the boat...
Well, except for people telling Data that pushing Crusher overboard wasn't funny. Because I got a good laugh out of that...
Plus I love the incongruity of the holodeck arch appearing on the ship deck. Perhaps I'm easily amused, but if so, I'm unrepentant.
Well, except for people telling Data that pushing Crusher overboard wasn't funny. Because I got a good laugh out of that...
Plus I love the incongruity of the holodeck arch appearing on the ship deck. Perhaps I'm easily amused, but if so, I'm unrepentant.
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Ah, yes. I’ve seen those before. In any event, the TNG uniforms were fine for GEN. Using different uniforms didn’t make sense, especially given that the TNG uniforms were still being used on DS9 by characters not assigned to the station.
I know that we seem to be on a Generations bashing binge but I'll add to it since this is my thread anyway.
I hated the photon torpedo effect in Generations. I would've been fine with the standard TNG type photon torpedo effects (if there had been more of them) but I remember reading someone doing the effects thought the photon torpedo effect used in The Motion Picture "looked cool" with all those rays of light emanating from them.
So he was inspired by a minor special effect used in a movie made during the 1970s!!!!
By the way, has anyone seen the Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country battle "phaser additions" footage on youtube? Someone went back and added phaser fire coming from Excelsior and Enterprise in addition to the photon torpedoes fired in the original version of the movie.
I hated the photon torpedo effect in Generations. I would've been fine with the standard TNG type photon torpedo effects (if there had been more of them) but I remember reading someone doing the effects thought the photon torpedo effect used in The Motion Picture "looked cool" with all those rays of light emanating from them.
So he was inspired by a minor special effect used in a movie made during the 1970s!!!!
By the way, has anyone seen the Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country battle "phaser additions" footage on youtube? Someone went back and added phaser fire coming from Excelsior and Enterprise in addition to the photon torpedoes fired in the original version of the movie.
I LOVE that TMP photon torpedo effect, and thought it looked awesome in Generations (and VOY: "Flashback" where it appears too)
MAN, that movie made a lot of dumb decisions.
Agreed. It looks pretty, but it really doesn't have anything to do with the story being told.
Yeah, that scene just makes me think that Geordi and the others are the ones who really need emotion chips installed. Crusher getting pushed overboard was funny as hell. The only way it would not be funny is if she was actually injured. (Which come to think of it, might be a traumatic enough event for Data to believably drive him to install the emotion chip).
...Why? I don't understand why anyone would think that was needed. Do they say they were firing phasers when they're weren't, or something?
They wanted the movie to have a different look. Also, the plan was that the new uniforms would be used on Voyager. When the new uniforms were abandoned, the decision was made to use DS9 uniforms instead to make Generations look different from TNG, although that created a whole mess of problems.
Nope. I guess someon thought the phasers should have been used. Here’s similar footage of Klaa’s BOP firing on the Enterprise. Someone thought it would be a good idea to add disruptor blasts.
"This isn't what I personally would have done, therefore it's wrong!" 
