The book isn't canon.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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Prime Kahn ethnic origin never reflected his name
Not important in this context. Question wasn't about canon DNA explanation in context of specified episode. Question was that knowledge about DNA makes episode "The Conscience of the King" impossible. Novel Drastic Measures simply proves that this two things are possible without need to write long post why if next question was about details.
Maybe they give the first war a pass, but the second time got on their last nerve
His name it's self is a bit of an ethnic jumble.
Uh...have you met humanity?
The sad thing is, this very nearly is a literal statement of what producers have been saying and what a disturbingly large percentage of fandom have been arguing the past year.
How is it disturbing?
It's self-delusion.
Rebooting a property is often a good idea. Rebooting a franchise is a guarantueed clusterfuck of a nightmare.
I loved the BSG reboot. As I do love the new Lost in Space reboot. Or Christopher Nolans take on Batman. But those were single stories, that had been told at the time. And were (somewhat) finished.Rebooting them is basically just returning to the basic idea of something, and trying a different take on it.
If they reboot an entire franchise - people are going to HATE it! Because at that point, the attraction of the IP isn't the original property alone anymore, but the franchise as a whole! Not just the original story. But also every OTHER take on it that has already been taken on it as part of a spin-off, movie, or else. The new, rebooted "take" simply stands no chance in comparison to all other takes combined. And is thus so much less than a simply "new addition" to the franchise would have been.
If they are going to reboot the MARVEL cinematic universe, I'm not going to bother with the reboot. If they reboot the entire Stargate franchise, it's going to be critical. If they reboot Star Trek - I'm definitely not coming back. Star Trek isn't just one series for me, or one set of characters, or one starship. It's the entire universe. And they can NEVER recapture that entire universe. Hell, I hardly see the Kelvin timeline movies as part of the Trek universe, since they are completely seperated storywise from the rest of the franchise. They can continue on, they can stop - I couldn't care less at this point. If they return to the prime universe in the movies, I'll do care again, though.
Now you're sounding like that other guy.
Trek should be about the characters and individual stories. Unless you've got a compelling story to tell, continuing one made-up history just for the sake of it seems pointless to me.
Theoretically? Yes. Practically? No.
I'm watching even the more mundane Marvel movies (Ant-Man, Dr. Strange) - because I reasonably suspect they will appear in other, better medium as well, and I want to be up on speed about them (e.g. know what Ant-Mans thing is when he arrives in "Captain America: Civil War" and becomes giant man, or how the MCU treats magic once Dr. Strange stands opposite Thanos). Basically, the larger body of the work of the MCU compells me to even endure the lesser outings, because I'm a fan of the big all.
Contrast that to the DC movie universe - which I just readily don't care about. I liked Wonder Woman, and I'm going to watch WW2. But she didn't compell me to check out "Justice League" for example, and the coming "Aquaman" has to sell me on it's ticket completely on it's own, without profiting off the larger franchise.
Star Trek - at least for me - has since a long time belonged into the first category, not the latter: I checked out all the series. Because I wanted to see what they add to the franchise. ENT was pretty weak in the beginning - if it were another, unconnected series, I would have had quitted at that point. But seasons 3 and 4 became actually really good. And I stayed with it to see how the continuity continues. The same way, I'm STILL with Discovery, and will definitely watch the next season, despite not being overly impressed with the first.
Star Trek: Beyond, though? I have no interest in the alternate reality. None at all. I didn't go to the cinema for it. In retrospect, I'd say Beyond is definitely better than the first season of DIS. But it isn't connected to the larger story at all, so it had to win me over completely on it's own, and it... just didn't.
DIS - as part of Treks main continuity - is - for me personally - part of something bigger, something great. Something I love. The Star Trek universe. As part of that bigger, greater thing, I'm willing to forgive more mediocre or even right out bad stuff - Many Trek episodes are crap. I still enjoy Star Trek as a whole. The Kelvin timeline stands - at least storywise - completely on it's own, though. That means, for me to be invested in it, it has to be great completely on it's own. And it just isn't. It's good. But much more. And there are so many other, better things around, the Kelvinverse just gets waaaay on the back burner on "storylines that I actively follow in my spare time". While DIS would have to actually go out on it's way to seperate itself from that "great" Trek universe for me to completely ignore it. As long as it doesn't, at least some of my "goodwill" towards the shared Star Trek universe will spill over into it.
(This isn't a universally held opinion. You are completely justified in seeing it completely different. It's just MY viewpoint of the benefits of larger, shared universe. And something I suspect at least quite a few other people have in common with me, since they explain a lot of fandom connection to IP universes like the MCU or Star Wars, independant of the quality of each respective latest outing)
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I'm not sure that's a thing, to be honest, which is probably where we disagree on this whole topic
To me, a reboot can't be stealthy, because they are in-your-face obvious. BSG, LiS, Jumanji - the new movie, House of Cards. Starting from scratch with a brand new take on an existing property, with the basic premise but doing something different with it, a brand new direction which is categorically unconnected to what went before. I can't see a show as a reboot because it has a mutiny and a cloaking device in it and stuff is more blue. It's still so connected to what came before (in fact, arguably too connected) I just can't see it as anything but the same universe.
What did folks do when STWOK came along, when the Klingons changed, the uniforms changed and Kirk went back to being an Admiral behind a desk? Shit their knickers?
The new Jumanji is a sequel, not a reboot. A "stealth sequel," you might say.I'm not sure that's a thing, to be honest, which is probably where we disagree on this whole topic
To me, a reboot can't be stealthy, because they are in-your-face obvious. BSG, LiS, Jumanji - the new movie, House of Cards. Starting from scratch with a brand new take on an existing property, with the basic premise but doing something different with it, a brand new direction which is categorically unconnected to what went before. I can't see a show as a reboot because it has a mutiny and a cloaking device in it and stuff is more blue. It's still so connected to what came before (in fact, arguably too connected) I just can't see it as anything but the same universe.
TMP actually. And yes a few people needed new pants.
That was a risky choice because I've only seen the trailer
Pajamas, actually. Grey and brown pajamas with disco belt buckles.
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