I was a little disappointed with Rick in this episode, and I say that as a fan of the character. I'm guessing that reading whatever was in Carl's letter will cause him to turn away from the dark side.
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I was a little disappointed with Rick in this episode, and I say that as a fan of the character. I'm guessing that reading whatever was in Carl's letter will cause him to turn away from the dark side.
wow...this was a packed episode, even in the first 10 minutes.
One character's arc is done...I will miss 'em (well acted) but it was the right time, but then leading into another pending death!
And Rosita REALLY screwed it up -- driving someone to an extreme they weren't trying to go, but like some voters, become a "Forget You" action.
One character's arc is done...I will miss 'em (well acted) but it was the right time, but then leading into another pending death!
And Rosita REALLY screwed it up -- driving someone to an extreme they weren't trying to go, but like some voters, become a "Forget You" action.
The Walking Dead--
"Worth"
The plots were keeping viewers guessing this week.
All Things Negan: So, according to Negan, Simon was the one who murdered all of the male adults & children at Oceanside. Bold move for Michonne to read Carl's letter to Negan. Now that she knows he's not interested in anything other than the heroes' deaths, I wonder how that will shape her decisions in the coming battle.
Simon and Gregory: fascinating argument. Gregory was right: he was a person who made things happen (despite his self-serving, snake-like personality), and between the two, he's the one with some real leadership skills, as opposed to Simon's "kill everything" approach.
Surprised Negan gave him the chance to fight for control, and that Lucille was not the agent of his death.
Dwight: He was the only character with a predictable arc: from being duped into giving Gregory the fake plans right down to Laura reappearing, his fate no shock at all.
Daryl and Rosita: Nice shock appearance when apprehending Eugene...but constantly threatening and belittling Eugene...where did they think that was going to go, other than...
Eugene: projectile vomiting as a diversion, then burying himself in muck. He's finally learned some practical survival skills, and unless he turns out to be the better man and still sabotage the Saviors' bullets. While that would be a nice turn, the only proper cap to Eugene (tied to the war) is to refuse to re-join Rick's group (resentment) and attempting to start something new with the non-violent population among the Saviors.
Father Gabriel: So, contrary to social media theories, it was not Eugene but Gabriel who was altering the bullets to protect his people. Perhaps the bullets in the gun Negan aims at his head (season finale) come from his assembly line...
Rick: I guess this is one last trip down Carl street. More than just Rick not killing Negan, the entire series has to be some payoff for the loss of (arguably) the second most important character in WD history. How that will be accomplished is anyone's guess, but it cannot just go from one Big Bad to yet another (The Whisperers) and avoid coming off as meaningless.
Aaron and Oceanside: How is it that Aaron--weak from exposure and a lack of food & water--can take out several walkers without so much as a scratch, but Carl--completely healthy coupled with his experience as a walker-killer--ends up bitten?
"Worth"
The plots were keeping viewers guessing this week.
All Things Negan: So, according to Negan, Simon was the one who murdered all of the male adults & children at Oceanside. Bold move for Michonne to read Carl's letter to Negan. Now that she knows he's not interested in anything other than the heroes' deaths, I wonder how that will shape her decisions in the coming battle.
Simon and Gregory: fascinating argument. Gregory was right: he was a person who made things happen (despite his self-serving, snake-like personality), and between the two, he's the one with some real leadership skills, as opposed to Simon's "kill everything" approach.
Surprised Negan gave him the chance to fight for control, and that Lucille was not the agent of his death.
Dwight: He was the only character with a predictable arc: from being duped into giving Gregory the fake plans right down to Laura reappearing, his fate no shock at all.
Daryl and Rosita: Nice shock appearance when apprehending Eugene...but constantly threatening and belittling Eugene...where did they think that was going to go, other than...
Eugene: projectile vomiting as a diversion, then burying himself in muck. He's finally learned some practical survival skills, and unless he turns out to be the better man and still sabotage the Saviors' bullets. While that would be a nice turn, the only proper cap to Eugene (tied to the war) is to refuse to re-join Rick's group (resentment) and attempting to start something new with the non-violent population among the Saviors.
Father Gabriel: So, contrary to social media theories, it was not Eugene but Gabriel who was altering the bullets to protect his people. Perhaps the bullets in the gun Negan aims at his head (season finale) come from his assembly line...
Rick: I guess this is one last trip down Carl street. More than just Rick not killing Negan, the entire series has to be some payoff for the loss of (arguably) the second most important character in WD history. How that will be accomplished is anyone's guess, but it cannot just go from one Big Bad to yet another (The Whisperers) and avoid coming off as meaningless.
Aaron and Oceanside: How is it that Aaron--weak from exposure and a lack of food & water--can take out several walkers without so much as a scratch, but Carl--completely healthy coupled with his experience as a walker-killer--ends up bitten?
So, will we see Negan make a Darth Vader style turn, or does he become a POW? Will the women of Oceanside arrive just in time to save the day? Will the mysterious helicopter make another appearance? And Morgan is going to walk from Virginia to where, Mexico?
They showed it in the episode...first he took responsibility for making the bullet that almost killed Negan.
So negan took him. Eugene was scared so he immediately took the offer to make bullets and other things for Negan. Megan unlike Ricks group really showed some respect to Eugene.
He was conflictes for a while. But Rositas berating him, right when he was ready to flip back to Rick, kicked him way back to Negan.
Rosita blamed all the deaths from Eugene leaving to that point on Eugene. Now any deaths from Eugene s work from now on is also on Rosita.
So negan took him. Eugene was scared so he immediately took the offer to make bullets and other things for Negan. Megan unlike Ricks group really showed some respect to Eugene.
He was conflictes for a while. But Rositas berating him, right when he was ready to flip back to Rick, kicked him way back to Negan.
Rosita blamed all the deaths from Eugene leaving to that point on Eugene. Now any deaths from Eugene s work from now on is also on Rosita.
Eugene almost getting blown up at the Alexandria front gate was the beginning of his full turn, I think.
Rosita has selective memory issues: it was Eugene who..
- saved Tara's life (after she suffered head trauma), carrying her to their van, and ultimately back to Alexandria.
- stood up to help fight the walker horde overrunning ASZ
- bit Dwight's crotch, giving the others the diversion needed to fight off the Saviors.
- volunteered to drive the RV as a lure for the Saviors to follow him, knowing that it could mean his death (hence his hug with Abraham).
- admitted he made the bullet to save Rosita's life (as he pointed out in this episode) and probably prevented more murders in that tense moment.
- provided Sasha with the means to commit suicide, in effect, honoring her request to not be used to kill any of their group.
When I was at school everyone bullied me and nobody appreciated my chemical skills until Adolf saw my true potential and gave me the respect I deserved. Worst Nuremburg defence, ever! Actually given Rosita and Daryl basically wanted to operation paperclip him that's not a bad analogy.
Eugene needs resolution to his story now. Either he has a face turn at the end and it's revealed he's been playing Negan all along (And he picked up Gabriel's sabotage because it was too obvious) or he needs to die/leave (be exiled). However useful he is they can't ever trust him. Maybe Eugene and Gregory could team up in exile? In other circumstances, with no baggage, you could see how they could both be useful to a community, but way too much has happened for either to find a Hilltop home now I think.
That was enjoyable, but very predictable. Oh who will ride to the rescue next week and save the day? Actually I'm hoping that the fact that Daryl and possibly Rick still don't quite trust Dwight might mean they're expecting a trap (only expecting Dwight to be part of it rather than a patsy). Be nice if the helicopter makes an appearance.
I think the only thing that bugged me was that last week Negan said "don't tell anyone I'm here" yet this week he just makes himself known to everyone straight away (I realise there may be a time lag here) . I'll miss Simon but glad his story ended. Did they go for a Lucille'less solution specifically so they could string him up as a zombie, or are AMC just reluctant to let Negan go bat happy anymore?
Negan letting Dwight live seemed a tad convenient but I like Dwight so I'll let it pass. Guessing Gabriel will have some part to play at the end. It is a shame after all the good things he's done that he doesn't feel he deserves some redemption.
Eugene needs resolution to his story now. Either he has a face turn at the end and it's revealed he's been playing Negan all along (And he picked up Gabriel's sabotage because it was too obvious) or he needs to die/leave (be exiled). However useful he is they can't ever trust him. Maybe Eugene and Gregory could team up in exile? In other circumstances, with no baggage, you could see how they could both be useful to a community, but way too much has happened for either to find a Hilltop home now I think.
That was enjoyable, but very predictable. Oh who will ride to the rescue next week and save the day? Actually I'm hoping that the fact that Daryl and possibly Rick still don't quite trust Dwight might mean they're expecting a trap (only expecting Dwight to be part of it rather than a patsy). Be nice if the helicopter makes an appearance.
I think the only thing that bugged me was that last week Negan said "don't tell anyone I'm here" yet this week he just makes himself known to everyone straight away (I realise there may be a time lag here) . I'll miss Simon but glad his story ended. Did they go for a Lucille'less solution specifically so they could string him up as a zombie, or are AMC just reluctant to let Negan go bat happy anymore?
Negan letting Dwight live seemed a tad convenient but I like Dwight so I'll let it pass. Guessing Gabriel will have some part to play at the end. It is a shame after all the good things he's done that he doesn't feel he deserves some redemption.
I think Eugene and Gabriel are going to be killed in the final. I even think Gabriel might be the one who kills Eugene. I also think Carol might die which is what makes Morgan run away from the group. I actually think Negan will have a change of heart but RIck will also and will kill Negan. In away Karl's dream will come true of people working together but it's in despite of RIck and not because of him. Would it be far fetched to see RIck become like the Governor and when Negan says he wants peace RIck says "Liar" and kills him with LUcille? It would be interesting if RIck became the bad guy on the show next season. Maybe he leaves the group and gets involved with other people and their objectives conflict with the main group we follow.
Jason
Jason
I've not watched a single episode since it's come back from the mid-season premiere, but I've been keeping up with spoilers to see if I should pick it back up. Not to sound like an ass, but from what I've been hearing, this show is absolutely atrocious. And this is coming from someone who used to watch this religiously and didn't mind the often maligned second season. I was excited when Jeffrey Dean Morgan was announced as Negan, and while he's done a decent job, he's barely in the fucking show and Steven Ogg is also wasted as Trevor, err Simon. It's a sad state of affairs when you root more for the villains in a show than the "good" guys. I'm officially done.
Hard to keep a show fresh for as long as this one has been running, so I bear that in mind. Thought it was pretty darned good for a connect-the-dots plot line, and only hope they can manage to surprise me with the finale...!
I just hope the Negan/War stuff is wrapped up next week and next season we'll get into something different with the story line. (Like The Whisperers or something, or more about [The Commonwealth].) The Negan/War stuff is starting to drag a bit and needs to end, it's been a long time since I think we've had some good, solid, interesting character stuff with "our" group of people since we're spending so much time jumping to Negan and Co. and when we get our group it's usually just angsty looks and such. I mean when's the last time we've really gotten anything meaningful from Daryl? Jesus? It feels like everyone is in a holding pattern. Hell, really I think the character list is getting a bit bloated so it's hard to give everyone stuff to do or develop.
Show needs to end The War and start a new direction, we also need a time-jump or something because inside of two seasons now how much has time passed? A month or two? Maggie isn't even showing her pregnancy yet and we found out she was pregnant at the beginning of Season 6!
I used to look forward to the show every weekend but Season 8B i've been just watching it on Tuesday afternoon on my day off, as oppsoed to being at my parents' Sunday nights watching it "live" there.
I'm not completely checked out of the show, but it needs new energy and new things to happen. Feels like there is quite a bit that needs to be wrapped up to end this "war" and a lot to have happen in a single episode but, man, it needs to end. End the war. Capture Negan and put him in Morgan's cell he built in Alexandria and let's jump forward a year or so after Maggie's given birth and the society Rick "wants" has been built or something along the lines of Carl's dream, then introduce the next threat.
This holding pattern is getting tiresome and there's not much fuel left. Land these planes and let's move on.
This past episode was okay, some good stuff in it but also no surprises (I figured Negan and picked up neck-tattoo girl) and, really, I think Eugene is beyond "hope" and needs to be killed off.
Show needs to end The War and start a new direction, we also need a time-jump or something because inside of two seasons now how much has time passed? A month or two? Maggie isn't even showing her pregnancy yet and we found out she was pregnant at the beginning of Season 6!
I used to look forward to the show every weekend but Season 8B i've been just watching it on Tuesday afternoon on my day off, as oppsoed to being at my parents' Sunday nights watching it "live" there.
I'm not completely checked out of the show, but it needs new energy and new things to happen. Feels like there is quite a bit that needs to be wrapped up to end this "war" and a lot to have happen in a single episode but, man, it needs to end. End the war. Capture Negan and put him in Morgan's cell he built in Alexandria and let's jump forward a year or so after Maggie's given birth and the society Rick "wants" has been built or something along the lines of Carl's dream, then introduce the next threat.
This holding pattern is getting tiresome and there's not much fuel left. Land these planes and let's move on.
This past episode was okay, some good stuff in it but also no surprises (I figured Negan and picked up neck-tattoo girl) and, really, I think Eugene is beyond "hope" and needs to be killed off.
Rosita and Daryl are the last people to convince an enemy to flip; they are so abusive, that it would only make it easy to continue working for the enemy. Sure, Eugene will likely turn the tables on the Saviors in the season finale, but I would rather see him do that--then walk into the sunset away from both sides, as he's been nothing except the recipient of constant abuse. That would be a rare exit of a character (who is not leaving because he's crazy, like Morgan).
I think Simon was not Lucille-d for the dramatic sight of Simon just ending up as the one thing he never appreciated: being a resource...only he will serve as a reanimated deterrent who does exactly whatever Negan wants him to.
Well, he has a spiritual conscience that still feels guilt over his locking out the parishioners of his church. Unlike too many WD characters, he does not feel his bad deeds have a shelf life and/or can be swept away. That makes hi one the more realistic characters on the series.
That would be a major shake-up for both characters, but as mentioned above, Gabriel has a conscience, so I would hope he fids another way out of the situation, and not find himself forced to kill one he actively tried to drag into the light, so to speak.
Explosive if true, but she's too important a character to kill, only for the biggest reaction being Morgan leaving. In a season where the "future" of humanity in the ZA world (Carl) died because of his beliefs, killing Carol would just seem tacked on for shock value. There needs to be a greater resolution to Carol's arc, other than re-living (what should have happened to) Sophia in her rescue of Henry.
That's a great idea; I've said Rick had become no better than the Governor way back in season 5, but the problem with your idea is that ultimately, he would have to face off with "the family", and as a Governor-type, would he be as ruthless toward his own as the Governor was to Milton & Martinez?
This article says the season 8 finale will wrap up first 8 seasons.
http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/937237-walking-dead-season-8-finale-will-wrap-8-seasons
http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/937237-walking-dead-season-8-finale-will-wrap-8-seasons
So the article would suggest a necessary time jump after the season finale to really tie up the various plots from the past eight seasons. That would mean whatever happens in the finale, there would not be the kind of lingering consequences seen at the start of seasons 5 (Terminus, Carol and Tyreese still traumatized over the Samuels sisters) or 7 (Glenn and Abraham), for example.
Well I see that they are at least going to be making "Fear of the Walking Dead" still be a prequel with this kind of time jump if thy do it. I wonder how far they would go into the future. I wonder if they will have a new location next year. I'm a little tired of the Hilltop and so forth. I brand new local would be a good way if they are basically going to start next season almost like a new pilot episode like DS9 did with "Way of the Warrior." Someone though is going to need to explain how zombies are still a thing. I mean zombies have to re-die at some point don't they? HOw long can you realistically keep the idea of walking corpses still walking around even years after the person first died and also you got explain how so many would not have been killed by humans in those years or destroyed or imobilized by things such as getting stuck in a river or being blown apart by a tornado or caught in some flood etc.
Jason
Jason
You may as well ask how something that is dead can still walk, see, hear, retain full movement, balance and strength, all without having to breathe or eat.
I agree, beyond a certain point the long-term cumulative effects of physical hazards, bad weather, insects, bacteria, fungus and sunlight should turn a walker into a harmless pile of mush. A few years into the apocalypse, the numbers would have to start declining as the pool of living from which they are "born" gets smaller and smaller.
The Walking Dead - Season 8 finale--
"Wrath"
Rick: So, the injury Rick suffered in the flash forward (S8 / E1) happened here. Brutal fake-out to cut Negan's throat, and a very effective reveal of the entire group watching him. Truly powerful moments with Maggie and Rick. The Rick and Carl flashback was the right way to close--even in the shadow of the mutineers' scene.
Negan: Although he was spared, come on...Negan is not through causing trouble...
Dwight: Nice resolution to his story--and the fact Sherry is alive.
Jadis: Her real name is Anne? If she ends up at the Hilltop, will she stand against Maggie? After all, she spared Negan's life....
Laura: She surrendered, but her loyalty to Negan should be rewarded with a car to somewhere else.
Eugene: Although I was aware of the bullet trick, I believed he was sick of Rosita's never-ending abuse, and was ready to break all ties to the old gang. Now that he has effectively ended the entire Savior threat, he should be one of the most respected members of the community.
Father Gabriel:
NOTES: Maggie, Jesus and Daryl: Plotting against Rick and Michonne? This could be the real beginning of the end of characters like Daryl, if not the end of the series. This is the darkest ending of a WD series so far.
So that's it. Fine, troubling end to the season, and according to the media supporting this, the finale is supposed to wrap up storylines covering all eight seasons--Morgan, obviously being one of those stories. The next phase of TWD is anyone's guess, but i'm hoping I does not plunge right into the Whisperer arc.
...and not a single death of a major character, which shattered months of social media predictions.
"Wrath"
Rick: So, the injury Rick suffered in the flash forward (S8 / E1) happened here. Brutal fake-out to cut Negan's throat, and a very effective reveal of the entire group watching him. Truly powerful moments with Maggie and Rick. The Rick and Carl flashback was the right way to close--even in the shadow of the mutineers' scene.
Negan: Although he was spared, come on...Negan is not through causing trouble...
Dwight: Nice resolution to his story--and the fact Sherry is alive.
Jadis: Her real name is Anne? If she ends up at the Hilltop, will she stand against Maggie? After all, she spared Negan's life....
Laura: She surrendered, but her loyalty to Negan should be rewarded with a car to somewhere else.
Eugene: Although I was aware of the bullet trick, I believed he was sick of Rosita's never-ending abuse, and was ready to break all ties to the old gang. Now that he has effectively ended the entire Savior threat, he should be one of the most respected members of the community.
Father Gabriel:
J[FONT=Open Sans]umping out of the moving car--brave move, but someone not used to rolling while travelling at high speed (most people) risks breaking bones, and with that, he would have been a nice, stationary meal for the walkers.
Decking Negan! One of the best moments of the last few seasons. Very, very pleasing.
...and he never lost his faith--or his vision. Wonderful how this all happens in the church.
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Morgan: I do agree with his line that he (and Rick) are worse than they were before. I doubt Rick sparing Negan and a time jump will change that, with betrayal on the horizonDecking Negan! One of the best moments of the last few seasons. Very, very pleasing.
...and he never lost his faith--or his vision. Wonderful how this all happens in the church.
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NOTES: Maggie, Jesus and Daryl: Plotting against Rick and Michonne? This could be the real beginning of the end of characters like Daryl, if not the end of the series. This is the darkest ending of a WD series so far.
So that's it. Fine, troubling end to the season, and according to the media supporting this, the finale is supposed to wrap up storylines covering all eight seasons--Morgan, obviously being one of those stories. The next phase of TWD is anyone's guess, but i'm hoping I does not plunge right into the Whisperer arc.
...and not a single death of a major character, which shattered months of social media predictions.
I liked it.
I'm glad the show is tackling the proposition that not having the death penalty is a cornerstone of civilization.
I'm glad the show is tackling the proposition that not having the death penalty is a cornerstone of civilization.