Will be there be nudity in Season 2?

[Jayson1]

That's the thing though. There shouldn't be any camera work to hide bodies from the spectator. Naked people should be filmed the exact same way as if they were wearing clothes. Otherwise you're just making a puritanistic statement. I don't need a movie telling me that it's been filmed by and/or for prudes.

I agree with giving artist the freedom to do nudity if they feel it is needed. My argument against it is that many times it makes for bad scenes because they feel pointless and drag the story down by spending to much time on unneeded detail. Detailed Sex rarely advances the plot in anyway.

Jason

 

[ITDUDE]

I will take a brothel scene over the endless number of people who sleep in the nude. I guess some people might do that in real life but I have never seen it for myself.

YMMV. Lots of people sleep in the nude. My bed has two on daily basis.

Also the endless number of shower scenes. Is making love in a shower really all that sexy?

Oh yes it is!

Though the twist on it is equally absurd were people walk around in towels. Do people really do that? I thought most people just dry off with a towel and put some clothes on.

Towels not so much, but a robe that may reveal a lot at a small twist of body, definitely yes. That's real life.

The opposite of too much nudity is too little nudity, to the point where it takes you out of a scene. What lady exactly makes love in a bra? Or even worse, if act of making love is not actually seen, but we see a couple right after, in bed fully clothed in non-see-through lingerie? When was the last time anyone put on any clothes RIGHT after making love, even if it's just lingerie and gotten right back into bed to cuddle?

 

[Spot261]

If it's fake it's only because it's been filmed by people with hangups vis a vis nudity.

No, it's fake because that actor is a real person working in an industry with institutionalised pressure to exploit their sexuality to make money.

 

[Discofan]

I can't honestly say I've ever felt a movie felt more authentic because people were naked. On the contrary I tend to see people feeling that they had to reveal something private and personal in order to satisfy a film maker or an audience. That usually feels exploitative to me.

When you know that people just had sex, it's unnatural to see them hiding their bodies from each other. And since you know it would never happen in reality it just reminds you that you're seeing a ridiculous pantomime instead of an exchange between lovers.

 

[Spot261]

When you know that people just had sex, it's unnatural to see them hiding their bodies from each other. And since you know it would never happen in reality it just reminds you that you're seeing a ridiculous pantomime instead of an exchange between lovers.

You're missing my point. There are more important things in the world than your appreciation of that scene. The performers in that scene are real people and the film industry is full of enough institutional pressure on performers as it is.

 

[Jayson1]

YMMV. Lots of people sleep in the nude. My bed has two on daily basis.


Oh yes it is!


Towels not so much, but a robe that may reveal a lot at a small twist of body, definitely yes. That's real life.

The opposite of too much nudity is too little nudity, to the point where it takes you out of a scene. What lady exactly makes love in a bra? Or even worse, if act of making love is not actually seen, but we see a couple right after, in bed fully clothed in non-see-through lingerie? When was the last time anyone put on any clothes RIGHT after making love, even if it's just lingerie and gotten right back into bed to cuddle?

I agree that PG-13 sex can look as silly and lame as nudity based sex scenes. That's why I would always at least imply they are nude but since the scene shouldn't last long you can hide it with camera angles and bed sheets or how the room is lit.

Jason

 

[Refuge]

It's Star Trek not a blessed documentary. I mean the door has been opened with the profanity thing. You have a rating that can allow for something but do you really need to do it?

As for the actors they should most definitely be able to draw lines as to what they are willing to do. They were in all likelihood hired for two reasons. Their performance ability and whether their look either fitted or could be made to fit the part. However if you are going to have nudity and only expect the broadly considered attractive actors to be nude then that is all kinds of unequal.

 

[Discofan]

You're missing my point. There are more important things in the world than your appreciation of that scene. The performers in that scene are real people and the film industry is full of enough institutional pressure on performers as it is.

I am not sure I am getting what you're trying to say here. Most actors have no problem about nudity. The only reason you don't see them naked is because it's imposed by censorship or by some Elizabethan notion of morality.

 

[Spot261]

I am not sure I am getting what you're trying to say here. Most actors have no problem about nudity. The only reason you don't see them naked is because it's imposed by censorship or by some Elizabethan notion of morality.

Are you having a laugh?

Hollywood has a long history of people feeling pressured into scenes and acts they were uncomfortable with, including in trek. Performers often have a choice between scenes they'd rather not be in or not getting a role.

 

[ITDUDE]

As for the actors they should most definitely be able to draw lines as to what they are willing to do.

Yep. This. Remember Swordfish? I don't remember anything except the scene with Halle Berry sunbathing. They didn't force her, they offered extra money if she would do it, and she was like, sure, why not. Did it take away anything from the movie? No. Did it add anything to the movie? No (or yes, if you consider that it was the most memorable part of it)

 

[Jayson1]

You're missing my point. There are more important things in the world than your appreciation of that scene. The performers in that scene are real people and the film industry is full of enough institutional pressure on performers as it is.

This is where I sort of disagree. As pointless as most sex and nudity is in movies I am also against censorship. Those two views I know sort of bump into each other and i'm not sure how to sort of have it both ways. I don't like telling artist how t make art but I also think nudity is usually wrong. Since we are dealing with consenting adults the happy medium seems to be to make filming sex scenes less uncomfortable for those who agree to do them and of course use a rating system to sort of keep it in check so everyone isn't doing in their movie or tv show.

Jason

 

[Awesome Possum]

When you know that people just had sex, it's unnatural to see them hiding their bodies from each other. And since you know it would never happen in reality it just reminds you that you're seeing a ridiculous pantomime instead of an exchange between lovers.

You know they aren’t really having sex in sex scenes, don’t you? It’s an even more ridiculous pantomine because they’re just thrusting at each other while wearing skin colored underwear. Usually for several takes and after an awkward rehearsal. Most of the time it’s really just an excuse to show breasts to amuse those who rarely see them in person. Maybe they should use erect penises too, hopefully in IMAX. The camera is generally there for the male POV, focusing on the woman. Switching it would work, focus on the man thrusting at the camera. It’s not like the audience is prudish.

 

[fireproof78]

Unless it's Black Panther, I don't think audiences could take men in catsuits seriously. Though T'pol did not look good in the Starfleet uniform, so the catsuit was the best option.

No, it really wasn't the best option.

If something is only used on a female, because it "looks good" how is that not sexist?

If catsuits don't look good, can't be taken seriously, they should not be used...period, male, female, and everything in between. It demonstrates and inconsistency that is starting to become more apparent in this thread. Nudity is fine as long as they are pretty.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I’ll be happy if we never see another catsuit on Star Trek. It doesn’t even make sense except they’re marketing it to 14 year old boys. I wish 7 had been in an actual uniform, she looked great in that episode where she had to go undercover for the time cops fro, the future.

 

[fireproof78]

I’ll be happy if we never see another catsuit on Star Trek. It doesn’t even make sense except they’re marketing it to 14 year old boys. I wish 7 had been in an actual uniform, she looked great in that episode where she had to go undercover for the time cops fro, the future.

Same here. It isn't sexy, isn't interesting and certainly doesn't build up the character.

In otherwords, pointless to the story.

 

[Refuge]

I’ll be happy if we never see another catsuit on Star Trek. It doesn’t even make sense except they’re marketing it to 14 year old boys. I wish 7 had been in an actual uniform, she looked great in that episode where she had to go undercover for the time cops fro, the future.

I wish Seven had eventually been allowed to wear the uniform that we saw her in in "Relativity". When she was introduced her cat suit changed over time so why not be in uniform? Jerri Ryan as an actress was very convincing in my opinion and I often read her performance reduced to her just being in a cat suit.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I wish Seven had eventually been allowed to wear the uniform that we saw her in in "Relativity". When she was introduced her cat suit changed over time so why not be in uniform? Jerri Ryan as an actress was very convincing in my opinion and I often read her performance reduced to her just being in a cat suit.

So 14 year old boys would watch, one of the producers probably had a fetish as well.

 

[Kane_Steel]

ETA: Also post a picture so we can judge your appearance based on standards of beauty. It's only fair.

I could, and have before on other forums. But it's a circular argument because if you perceive me as conventionally attractive, I'll still be regarded as 'arrogant and conceited' for my previous comments.
Regardless, you're argument is flawed. I'm not an actor on this series so I shouldn't be held to the same scrutiny as those in the industry.

Are you personally insulted by my comment about Tilly? Sounds like it, if you had to bring this to a personal level.

No, it really wasn't the best option.

If something is only used on a female, because it "looks good" how is that not sexist?

If catsuits don't look good, can't be taken seriously, they should not be used...period, male, female, and everything in between. It demonstrates and inconsistency that is starting to become more apparent in this thread. Nudity is fine as long as they are pretty.

Dude. The catsuit on her looked great. It isn't sexist for a confident attractive woman to show off her feminine physique. If anything, it empowering.

 

[fireproof78]

Dude. The catsuit on her looked great. It isn't sexist for a confident attractive woman to show off her feminine physique. If anything, it empowering.

No, there is nothing empowering about it. It is objectifying and making her stand out among her compatriots, including other female costars or guest stars, including other Vulcans. It does nothing to add to her character, makes her stand out for no other reason than her physique and adds zero to the story.

 

[Kane_Steel]

No, there is nothing empowering about it. It is objectifying and making her stand out among her compatriots, including other female costars or guest stars, including other Vulcans. It does nothing to add to her character, makes her stand out for no other reason than her physique and adds zero to the story.

She's supposed to stand out, she isn't a Starfleet officer. Also, the majority of Vulcan men she served with were old dudes. Most audiences would much prefer T'Pol in a catsuit over Soval and friends.

It's not like the crazy old Vulcan woman from the S1 episode where they hit warp 5 was wearing a catsuit either. It's a look for the relatively youthful Vulcans. The Vulcan who raped T'pol in s1 was walking around in a leisure suit.

So no big deal.