Are bonus scenes canon?
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Because they buffered it with a hundred years on either side.
They're as canon as Star Trek: The Animated Series.
So completely canon according to CBS?
The DSC crew won't be in charge forever. And, ironically, they've probably made it more acceptable to undo their work by using as much artistic license as they have. TOS will always be the root for what TOS looks like, and it's too soon to tell if the Discoprise will become anywhere near as iconic as the original look. If they continue producing content in the prime timeline (and God, I wish they wouldn't and would just do a fresh, disconnected take on Star Trek that isn't constrained by the prior lore), then sooner or later, we're going to get another IAMD or T&T. I doubt very much there'll ever be a flashback or nostalgia episode for TOS that uses the DSC designs (excepting, of course, one that takes place within DSC itself).
A precedent that comes to mind is Babylon 5. The first attempt at a spin-off without the original production crew,* Legends of the Rangers, had a massive re-vamp of the look of the show in terms of VFX and production design. The second, The Lost Tales, went back to the original for inspiration and ignored all of the radical changes LotR made to the style of the B5 universe.
*Crusade was made hot on the heels of the original show. The sets were still standing. I'm considering it part of the same "production unit," just like TNG, DS9, VGR, and ENT were all of a piece.
Normally I would say no if it was deleted from the episode when it finally aired.
And yet those in charge are claiming they saved the content to present at
Wondercon and that it is canon and likely to become a plot point next season with the confirmed casting. So I am going to assume this scene will be alluded to in some way in S2 and we can assume it's canon in the sense of having actually happened 'off screen'. Yes, I'm aware that's a contradiction if we technically go by how canon is defined.
And yet those in charge are claiming they saved the content to present at
Wondercon and that it is canon and likely to become a plot point next season with the confirmed casting. So I am going to assume this scene will be alluded to in some way in S2 and we can assume it's canon in the sense of having actually happened 'off screen'. Yes, I'm aware that's a contradiction if we technically go by how canon is defined.
First, canon doesn’t matter in my brain.
Second, if it did, changing the visual style does not change the events within a TV franchise with over 50 years of history behind it. But, if it helps you sleep at night, sure. Takes place in another universe. Whatever. See my first point.
Finally, turtles, man! Amirite?
Second, if it did, changing the visual style does not change the events within a TV franchise with over 50 years of history behind it. But, if it helps you sleep at night, sure. Takes place in another universe. Whatever. See my first point.
Finally, turtles, man! Amirite?
according to the panel this was shown at its a run up for Season 2, and the Leland character will be there
Nah, that timeline was created after TOS. TOS's timeline is a mess. The 27th/22nd/23rd Century has some crazy calendars.
When I did care more about timelines and stuff like that, before I realized it doesn’t matter because it’s all just a fictional TV show and that being entertained is more important than everything fitting just right (seriously, folks.... take it from this perspective and you have a lot more fun watching Star Trek or Star Wars or whatever) I considered the idea that the original timeline is TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY. There was an NX-01 (perhaps called the Dauntless). In this timeline, you have the events as you see them from the series.
But with the events of First Contact, an alternate version of history is created. In it, things have changed dramatically based on Cochrane and Lily’s time with the Enterprise-E and her crew. Things happen more or less the same as previously but technology has changed. Things look different. NX-01 is now the Enterprise. Most importantly, it opens the door to having the technology seem futuristic from today’s standards if you want to move forward.
But like I said: this is a TV show. I realize we’re on a forum discussing it, which is a little obsessive in general, but let’s remember one point: this is supposed to be about entertainment. If you are that caught up in the minutiae of how this fits in a timeline? Maybe you’re missing the point. If you don’t enjoy it, that’s one thing. But if you’re not enjoying it BECAUSE you can’t find a way to rectify it into a fictitious timeline with more holes than a pegboard? To quote Shatner: get a life.
But with the events of First Contact, an alternate version of history is created. In it, things have changed dramatically based on Cochrane and Lily’s time with the Enterprise-E and her crew. Things happen more or less the same as previously but technology has changed. Things look different. NX-01 is now the Enterprise. Most importantly, it opens the door to having the technology seem futuristic from today’s standards if you want to move forward.
But like I said: this is a TV show. I realize we’re on a forum discussing it, which is a little obsessive in general, but let’s remember one point: this is supposed to be about entertainment. If you are that caught up in the minutiae of how this fits in a timeline? Maybe you’re missing the point. If you don’t enjoy it, that’s one thing. But if you’re not enjoying it BECAUSE you can’t find a way to rectify it into a fictitious timeline with more holes than a pegboard? To quote Shatner: get a life.
I like it. A LOT. I always put aside NX-01-A and NX-01 naming scheme to lazy writing (let's make it Experimental, let's make it First, let's stick -A after it, `cause it looks cool, blah blah blah)
But putting NX-01 and all of ENT in alternative timeline. I like it. I like it a lot!
And think about. Why does Defiant in ENT and Defiant (wireframe) in STD look so different? Neither looks like the Enterprise we saw at end of Season 1 What's the simplest explanation? Because all 3 are from different timelines/universes!
Defiant in ENT is from TOS (original, prime universe), but we see it in Mirror universe not of original timeline, but the one already altered by Ent-E envolvement. The defiant from STD is from a Mirror universe, but not same mirror universe as TOS, nor ENT, nor is it from same universe as STD as it would look like the enterprise.
So we have no less than 6 universes in play here:
TOS and it's mirror universe
ENT and it's mirror universe
STD and it's mirror universe
Mind blown, things are beginning to make sense! Incredible!
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No, I know how this plays around in endless loops, I just can't get my head round how people get so hung up on the trivia as though it has some deep significance. Is it a reboot? Is it canon? Is it in the same timeline?
It's not real, the timeline doesn't remotely work - never has. Canon is whatever is on screen and if it looks more or less like the Enterprise and they call it the Enterprise then it IS the Enterprise....
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