If You Could Rewrite DS9
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No Jadzia. No Bashir. Less Garak in seasons 3-6.
Dukat's character as a charismatic yet evil man would have been more thought out.
The Bajoran religion should have had a more substantial Judeo Christian parallels that the audience could relate to. Some thing less vague than what was depicted.
The station should have be depicted more as an interstellar wild west outpost with Earth far far away.
The Gamma Quadrant, and The Dominion's role in it, could have explored more.
No Odo Kira romance. I liked their season 2 relationship best.
More Ferengi women.
Less silly Ferengi episodes.
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Would sleeping with Jadzia?
Edit: The sample size is simply too small to make any determination. He wasn't a horndog like Kirk.
BTW it was Discofan who claims that Brooks determined sisko's romances.
It was the mirror universe, they also had homosexuals there, that they never had in the "regular" universe.
That's what I heard and when I did, it struck me as funny that Sisko was never involved with non-black women.
I'd be willing to accept a lot of changes, but not that. DS9 being in a stationary and non-starfleet location was exactly what made this series possible. Its deeper look in Bajoran and Cardassian society and Sisko's long-term (and developing) involvement in them, its continued story arcs about the Dominion War, the developing relations between characters from profoundly different cultures, simply couldn't have been told the same way on a Starfleet starship traveling from location to location. It would almost be like proposing Voyager was a space station somehow stranded in the DQ - but they're still trying to find their way home. Wouldn't work. Perhaps it doesn't fit the standard Trek format, but if that really would be an issue, I'd rather have them drop out of the Trek universe altogether and continue as an independent series (like Babylon 5).
Though I do agree partially on that 'limited'. It's not for nothing that the Defiant was added in later years.
As for characters: keep Sisko, Kira, Odo, O'brien, Quark, Garak, Dukat.Out goes Dax (at least as she was written), uncertain about Bashir. No Worf or Vic Fontaine needed. Kai Winn was fun to hate but began to feel a bit limited after a few years as the hypocritical conservative flat character. Could have done without a lot of the 'soap opera' ('oh my god, Bashir and Quark want Dax but Dax goes after Worf!'). I really like the idea mentioned before that DS9 itself was an ancient space station with a lot of mysteries.
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Don't judge him!
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I wish we had a chance to see more alien races from the GQ before the Dominion storyline started.
I liked Worf a lot better on TNG than on DS9. I'm still glad he was on both shows, but I wish he had been less dickish on DS9. No episodes like "Let He Who is Without Sin" or "Sons of Mogh."
I would have written Jadzia like Ezri right from the start. The character of Jadzia sounds cool on paper, but I don't know how any actor, no matter how talented, could ever do her justice. Calm, cool, sexy, wise, funny, brilliant, with occasional Klingon outbursts, oh, and you house 8 separate lifetimes in a single conscience. A mixed up youngster would be more believable, easier to act, and more interesting, too, imo.
No annual campy Ferengi comedy episodes. No Rom. No Moogie. Quark and Nog are great, but you need to draw the line somewhere.
Only one Mirror Universe episode.
No genetically engineered Bashir. You undercut 5 years of character growth for a twist that is only important in about 3 episodes.
No Benny Russel, no Wormhole aliens possessing Sisko's mom, no on the nose Biblical parallels.
I would like to have seen more stories from the POV of Cardassian characters.
More T'Rul.
I liked Worf a lot better on TNG than on DS9. I'm still glad he was on both shows, but I wish he had been less dickish on DS9. No episodes like "Let He Who is Without Sin" or "Sons of Mogh."
I would have written Jadzia like Ezri right from the start. The character of Jadzia sounds cool on paper, but I don't know how any actor, no matter how talented, could ever do her justice. Calm, cool, sexy, wise, funny, brilliant, with occasional Klingon outbursts, oh, and you house 8 separate lifetimes in a single conscience. A mixed up youngster would be more believable, easier to act, and more interesting, too, imo.
No annual campy Ferengi comedy episodes. No Rom. No Moogie. Quark and Nog are great, but you need to draw the line somewhere.
Only one Mirror Universe episode.
No genetically engineered Bashir. You undercut 5 years of character growth for a twist that is only important in about 3 episodes.
No Benny Russel, no Wormhole aliens possessing Sisko's mom, no on the nose Biblical parallels.
I would like to have seen more stories from the POV of Cardassian characters.
More T'Rul.
Except that he was, he slept with Jadzia. You just decided to strike it from the record "because of reasons." We saw Ben intimate with four women. Three black, one white.
Why not complain about how Nerys was only ever involved with white people? (Except for Bashir, but how does that count if Mirror Jadzia doesn't?)
With all due deference to Dennis McCarthy and his wonderful theme, I still want Isaac Hayes to compose for DS9.
Damn right!
Damn right!
I'd also side with leaving Worf (and the whole Klingon arc) out of the show, except for maybe one or two Klingon appearances when necessary. For me the Klingons were at over-saturation point by the end of TNG, so anything more was just too much. I'd rather they spent time on either building up a more comprehensive and organised Maquis, looking to strike big against a weakened Cardassia and maybe declare themselves the victors of the DMZ and set themselves up as a new separate entity, or spend some more time exploring the GQ to help build up the coming of the Dominion. Granted this would mean that we might never get to see much of Martok (Trek's best Klingon) but it would be a sacrifice I'd be willing to make.
One other things I'd alter, character-wise, would be to retain T'Rul at least as a recurring character, so that we could actually get to learn more about Romulan culture rather than just what Starfleet Intelligence says about them. She would add a great new dynamic to the overall crew, not quite and enemy but not quite an ally, I could envision some interesting stories with Odo or Quark or Garak especially.
One other things I'd alter, character-wise, would be to retain T'Rul at least as a recurring character, so that we could actually get to learn more about Romulan culture rather than just what Starfleet Intelligence says about them. She would add a great new dynamic to the overall crew, not quite and enemy but not quite an ally, I could envision some interesting stories with Odo or Quark or Garak especially.
Explain to me why there never were any homosexuals in the show except in the (evil) universe and then those were really nasty people. How coincidental!
The (evil) universe obviously doesn't count. Things happen there that we're supposed to disapprove of. Everyone knows that the franchise has always been behind the times when it comes to homosexual rights and the likes. They were still making laborious, obscure metaphors when other shows had homosexuals as regular characters.
If the original Defiant were lost I'd love to see them get a Sabre-Class as a replacement. I know why it was another Defiant-Class, but I love the Sabre and thing it deserves more love
During TNG, DS9 and VOY we never saw any Tellarites but we can assume there still out there.
Trek was hugely behind the times when it came to gay characters, but that doesn't mean that they aren't around, just that ones sexuality doesn't define them and isn't a big issue so they don't see the need to discuss it. For all we know Paris had a boyfriend at the Academy or Tasha was a lesbian, which was why she never wanted to talk about the time she and Data had sex after the event. We all know that Reed and Hayes were going at it like bunnies behind closed doors.
When you look at how uncomfortable Riker (an enlightened human being) is trying to answer some of the questions asked by Soren about sex, it shows just how badly Trek dealt with such matters, regardless or orientation. The one time Trek has dealt with a same-sex pairing properly was in "Rejoined", where the fact they were both women didn't even register with any of the characters.
Because a characters sexuality shouldn't be used as a means to identify them, I left it out for the two in my proposed character line-up who would be gay. They know who they are and that's all it needs to be
During TNG, DS9 and VOY we never saw any Tellarites but we can assume there still out there.
Trek was hugely behind the times when it came to gay characters, but that doesn't mean that they aren't around, just that ones sexuality doesn't define them and isn't a big issue so they don't see the need to discuss it. For all we know Paris had a boyfriend at the Academy or Tasha was a lesbian, which was why she never wanted to talk about the time she and Data had sex after the event. We all know that Reed and Hayes were going at it like bunnies behind closed doors.
When you look at how uncomfortable Riker (an enlightened human being) is trying to answer some of the questions asked by Soren about sex, it shows just how badly Trek dealt with such matters, regardless or orientation. The one time Trek has dealt with a same-sex pairing properly was in "Rejoined", where the fact they were both women didn't even register with any of the characters.
Because a characters sexuality shouldn't be used as a means to identify them, I left it out for the two in my proposed character line-up who would be gay. They know who they are and that's all it needs to be
Yet Sisko spoke of "our people" when talking to Cassidy Yates about how blacks were treated in the 1960's. That's not coherent with the idea that someone's sexual or racial indentity no longer matters, in fact it sends the opposite message.
I may be of Viking descent but do I say "our people" when speaking about Vikings to someone else, whoever that might be, definitely not.
Sisko's expression is incomprehensible and clashes with the idea of an ideal world where those differences no longer matter. Why was Sisko even suspicious about the program unless he thought its creator could be a racist? Why did Cassidy even need to reassure him in that area? That doesn't make any sense.
Sisko spoke of "black people" because he knows his history, since it's something of importance to him. He also knows all about the sanctuary districts of 21st century North America and the great social change they brought in as well. In early TNG Picard was a staunch Frenchman, defending his culture. Uhura spoke Swahili. People are influenced by their culture, heritage and history in various ways. Sisko highlighted the injustices of 1960s Las Vegas due to the social exclusion and in his own life teaches Jake to embrace all other species and cultures equally, because what he know of the history of his race has coloured who he is as a person.
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