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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

Is it?

  • Yes, that's the official word and it still fits

    Votes: 194 44.7%
  • Yes, but it's borderline at this point

    Votes: 44 10.1%
  • No, there's just too many inconsistencies

    Votes: 147 33.9%
  • I don't care about continuity, just the show's quality

    Votes: 49 11.3%

  • Total voters
    434
I can't find anything from Into Darkness that states that there has not been any war with the Klingons up to this point.

I dunno whether DiscoTrek can really be considered a Kelvin prequel. I like the idea, since DT clearly draws so much influence from the Kelvin timeline - it seems like it wants to be part of it. But I'd have to sit down and look at the dates and evidence to see if that idea really worked.

In the KT the Enterprise's maiden voyage hasn't happened yet when Discovery takes place. In fact, it should be still under construction if Discovery was Kelvin Timeline.

Plus you know the completely different design.
 
I can't find anything from Into Darkness that states that there has not been any war with the Klingons up to this point.

It's when Admiral Marcus talks about looming war with the klingons, he lists everything "evil" they did at this point - annexing planets, being general dicks - but full-out war is only anticipated, nothing that already has had happened.

I dunno whether DiscoTrek can really be considered a Kelvin prequel. I like the idea, since DT clearly draws so much influence from the Kelvin timeline - it seems like it wants to be part of it. But I'd have to sit down and look at the dates and evidence to see if that idea really worked.

Yes, they share some similarities (bridge windows mainly). But that can be attributed to both having partly the same production stuff, and both trying to be a modernized version of the same thing - TOS how it would have been depicted now. But they are clearly seperated in terms of story and continuity.
 
It's when Admiral Marcus talks about looming war with the klingons, he lists everything "evil" they did at this point - annexing planets, being general dicks - but full-out war is only anticipated, nothing that already has had happened.
Okay, I read that. And he doesn't actually say that his list is an exhaustive one, or that the anticipated war would be the first one.

But they are clearly seperated in terms of story and continuity.
Perhaps.
 
Not Perhaps, Discovery already counters this theory with the appearance of the Enterprise.

Which according to ST'09 is under construction.
Does it? There's nothing in Kelvin Trek to suggest that the Enterprise we see there is the first of the name, right?
 
You're being obtuse.
That's certainly one opinion.

It's Prime Timeline with no connection to Kelvin this is fact.
It may or may not be part of the Kelvin timeline - as I've said, to me at least that is an open question. I could buy DT as being in a continuity that is entirely its own, for sure.

But it certainly doesn't appear to be in the Prime Timeline.
 
Basically we have now:
  1. Prime Timeline
    • Prime A) Old continuity only
    • Prime B) Kelvin, red matter, "prime" Spock from Kelvin movies + old continuity
    • Prime C) Disco-verse + old continuity
  2. Kelvin Timeline

What show's in Kelvin Timeline then?
 
It clearly is.
I guess nobody told Evil Jim Kirk or Smiley O'Brien that they're supposed to have eye problems.

And nobody told Regent Worf or the Cardassian-Klingon alliance that the Klingon homeworld was annihilated a century before.

It's "clear" as mud. Or perhaps Mudd, who's gone from sex trafficking nucence to Klingon collaborator and mass murderer.
 
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