Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[cooleddie74]

Is this the same fictional universe where allegedly rational fans will scream that the Eugenics Wars CANNOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE 1990s because they didn't in real life and besides, who had that level of genetic engineering technology in the late 20th century? Retcon it to mean the early-to-mid 21st century so it makes sense to US! In other words, it's a completely fictional reality that's at the discretion of the writers of a film or television series until they make a storytelling decision we don't like. "That doesn't make sense to me! That didn't happen in real life! THEY NEED TO RETCON THAT BECAUSE MODERN AUDIENCES!"

Well. All I can say is: Welcome to being a Star Trek fan.

 

[lawman]

Yeah, the people who have spasms of Nerdrage over eating a burrito are just out of their minds. Burritos will still be eaten about 250 years from now even if they're made by a synthesizer. To be fair, TOS did show some cooked meat and vegetable dishes and even showed the Starnes Expedition children eating ice cream in Season 3 so it wasn't all just colored Play Doh cubes on a tray.

I distinctly recall Kirk being annoyed that Tribbles got into his chicken sandwich and coffee.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yup. We didn't see it, but it was in the food synthesizer's database.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Why does the show Discovery looking different from TOS need to be explained?

More importantly, why does it really matter?

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Why does the show Discovery looking different from TOS need to be explained?

More importantly, why does it really matter?

This is what I really groan at when watching Star Trek. When the writers feel the need to justify some change from one series to another. The TMP Klingon forehead change did not require an augment virus explanation in ENT. They looked different in TMP because TMP had a shit ton of money and TOS didn't. The end. Like, same goes with DSC. Why does it look different? The budget is higher and 2017 sfx look better than sfx in the 90s and 60s. That's all the explanation that should be required, as far as I'm concerned. If the writers go out of their way to explain an aesthetic transition from DSC to TOS, that is what will make me roll my eyes. Because appeasing irate fans is a terrible basis for a story.

 

[Tuskin38]

I noticed they didn’t use the holo communication as much in the second half of the season, it was either audio or on the view screen

 

[Refuge]

It's pretty basic stuff. 'Discovery' Klingon (insert picture of shit ugly bald Klingon). TOS Klingon (insert picture of Errand of Mercy, Klingons).

In ten years what the hell? Is it evolution or just a screw up?

 

[fireproof78]

It's pretty basic stuff. 'Discovery' Klingon (insert picture of shit ugly bald Klingon). TOS Klingon (insert picture of Errand of Mercy, Klingons).

In ten years what the hell? Is it evolution or just a screw up?

Or genetic engineering, another species, the ruling class, inbreeding, caste system, and that's just off the top of my head.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's pretty basic stuff. 'Discovery' Klingon (insert picture of shit ugly bald Klingon). TOS Klingon (insert picture of Errand of Mercy, Klingons).

In ten years what the hell? Is it evolution or just a screw up?

Neither.

 

[Refuge]

Bad writing...

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps. But DSC has bent over backwards to force viewers to wonder what that reason might be... when it could've avoided the whole question in the first place just by being consistent with past stories in the same setting. That's the point of this whole discussion.

And yet, it isn't ruining my enjoyment of the show.

Bad writing...

Nope. Just TMP level visual change.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Bad writing...

Nope. I don't think the writing has much to do with how Klingons look.

 

[Refuge]

Or genetic engineering, another species, the ruling class, inbreeding, caste system, and that's just off the top of my head.

Let's try the genetic engineering on for size. The Klingons have just got their arses handed to them on a plate and their first order of the day is to spend the next ten years perfecting - hair growth.

Nah.

 

[fireproof78]

Let's try the genetic engineering on for size. The Klingons have just got their arses handed to them on a plate and their first order of the day is to spend the next ten years perfecting - hair growth.

Nope.

Yes, that's it

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Bad writing...

Klingon foreheads are design choices, not story choices.

Until ENT. Which was entirely unnecessary.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Let's try the genetic engineering on for size. The Klingons have just got their arses handed to them on a plate and their first order of the day is to spend the next ten years perfecting - hair growth.

Nah.

I see no reason for any explanations. Because that actually would be bad writing.

 

[Refuge]

There should be an explanation that makes these Discovery Klingons fit into the timeline that has totally different ones a mere ten years later.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There should be an explanation that makes these Discovery Klingons fit into the timeline that has totally different ones a mere ten years later.

Nope. There is no reason other fan service to do stories like that. I for one have grown tired of fan service stories. The time, money and talent would be better spent elsewhere.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Klingon foreheads are design choices, not story choices.

Until ENT. Which was entirely unnecessary.

But they referenced it in "Trials and Tribble-ations", IT NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED!

 

[Lord Garth]

If they show other types of Klingons, they can say "There are several types of Klingons. See how little you know about our race?" It's essentially the equivalent of "We do not discuss it with Outsiders," that acknowledges it without devoting an entire story -- let alone a two-parter -- to it.

If they don't show other types of Klingons, then I think it's a non-issue in the context of Discovery.