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Arrieta signs with Philadelphia for 3 / 75 on the same day that Lance Lynn gets 1 / 12 from Minnesota.

Edit: Arrieta's contract has an opt-out after year 2, while the Phillies have options for a fourth and fifth year.

And with Mike Moustakas going to KC for 1Y/$6.5M, another Boras client that waited too long.
 
I hesitate to blame Boras when free-agent values have taken a nosedive across the board this past winter.
 
I still feel like he's the biggest part of the problem, outside of teams who, in the past, actually over-paid out the ying-yang for his clients.

He's certainly the most blatantly greedy SOB among agents.
 
He's certainly the most blatantly greedy SOB among agents.

As well he should be. His job is to extract every possible cent for his clients. In that respect, he's been the biggest individual boon to players since Marvin Miller.
 
That's definitely one way of looking at it.

I realize that it is indeed an agent's job to be greedy, but Boras is too greedy. It's all well and good to get all workers-of-the-world-unite and all that crap, but the simple fact is, a lot of players got screwed because of him and his unrealistic demands.

Moustakas, for example, had to slink back to the Royals with his tail between his legs and is probably going to be just a wee bit bitter in the clubhouse because Boras doesn't know the meaning of the word 'compromise'.
 
It's all well and good to get all workers-of-the-world-unite and all that crap

lol what do you think a union is

but the simple fact is, a lot of players got screwed because of him and his unrealistic demands.

No, a lot of players got screwed because all 30 teams decided out of nowhere to be stingy this past winter. Lance Lynn, for example, got absolutely fucked because of the qualifying offer and the weirdness of the offseason, and he isn't a Boras client. Neither are Jonathan Lucroy or Todd Frazier, for example.

Boras should be the head of the MLBPA.
 
Ah yes, the vast conspiracy rears its ugly head once again. :lol:

Why did Lance Lynn have to settle for a 1 / 12 deal after putting up a 131 ERA+ over his past two seasons?

Edit: Baseball literally made more money than it has in its entire history last year, topping $10 billion. Why is it unrealistic of agents to demand market value for their clients? Why should teams get richer, not the players who actually make that money for them? No star players = no record-breaking revenues every year.
 
No, a lot of players got screwed because all 30 teams decided out of nowhere to be stingy this past winter.

I think this was something that was slowly building as teams got more and more focused beyond the traditional numbers. It didn't mean money wasn't there, and there still wasn't a few dumb signings (cough*Hosmer*cough).

There just weren't any real "must have, will carry a team to the World Series on his back" players out there this year.

I would've been hard pressed to give Arrieta a contract with a $25/million AAV based on the fact that his numbers are steadily declining.
 
Why did Lance Lynn have to settle for a 1 / 12 deal after putting up a 131 ERA+ over his past two seasons?

Apparently he had a multi-year offer from Baltimore. Though I wouldn't want to go there either.

Edit: Baseball literally made more money than it has in its entire history last year, topping $10 billion. Why is it unrealistic of agents to demand market value for their clients? Why should teams get richer, not the players who actually make that money for them? No star players = no record-breaking revenues every year.

Market value is what teams are willing to pay, unless there is an iron-clad salary structure and minimum floor in place.
 
I would've been hard pressed to give Arrieta a contract with a $25/million AAV based on the fact that his numbers are steadily declining.

The Phillies weren't.

Market value is what teams are willing to pay, unless there is an iron-clad salary structure and minimal floor in place.

Market value is what teams are willing to pay and what labor is willing to be paid. It's a two-way street and has been ever since the Seitz decision.

Anyway, there should be a salary floor, but the owners will never accept that without a major concession from the union (most likely guaranteed contracts).
 
Market value is what teams are willing to pay and what labor is willing to be paid. It's a two-way street and has been ever since the Seitz decision.

Very true. But, they can only reject what they are offered for so long before they eventually break down and take whatever deal happens to be there.

Anyway, there should be a salary floor, but the owners will never accept that without a major concession from the union (most likely guaranteed contracts).

I imagine a hard salary cap would get owners' interest.
 
Why did Lance Lynn have to settle for a 1 / 12 deal after putting up a 131 ERA+ over his past two seasons?

Edit: Baseball literally made more money than it has in its entire history last year, topping $10 billion. Why is it unrealistic of agents to demand market value for their clients? Why should teams get richer, not the players who actually make that money for them? No star players = no record-breaking revenues every year.

I'm no Boras fan but if I were a player and he was pitching his services to me, and I saw what he could do for other players, I'd certainly sit up and take notice. I often roll my eyes when he claims that one of his clients deserves a 7 year deal and hundreds of millions of dollars and the certain player in question clearly does not deserve that, based on his skills and/or age, or both. However, that's what Boras' job is. He's supposed to try to get as much as he can for his clients. I may laugh at it from time to time depending on the player but he's doing his job.

As far as Lynn only getting a one year 12 mil deal. He just did get richer. Should he have gotten a multiyear deal? Yeah, probably. He's not an elite pitcher but he's pretty damn good. Lesser pitchers have gotten bigger contracts in the past so this one is a bit of a head scratcher. If San Diego could invest as much as they did in Hosmer (kooky deal) then you'd think a team would shell out at least 3 years for Lynn.
 
I'm no Boras fan but if I were a player and he was pitching his services to me, and I saw what he could do for other players, I'd certainly sit up and take notice. I often roll my eyes when he claims that one of his clients deserves a 7 year deal and hundreds of millions of dollars and the certain player in question clearly does not deserve that, based on his skills and/or age, or both. However, that's what Boras' job is. He's supposed to try to get as much as he can for his clients. I may laugh at it from time to time depending on the player but he's doing his job.

I think, for the first time, Boras did a disservice to his clients by keeping them on the market for so long.
 
MLB's newest pilot program (again aimed at speeding up the game, because Rob Manfred is a bad commissioner) is launching in the minors this year: If a game goes into extra innings, each half-inning will begin with a runner on second. :barf:
 
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