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Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

How do you rate "Black Panther"?

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Venardhi said:
Return of the King didn't deserve Best Picture either, that was one of the more obvious examples of the Academy giving awards to whoever's "turn it was" rather than to the most deserving nominee. (All the more argument for special awards to recognize the advancements of the form as with LotR and Star Wars) Titanic, on the other hand, earned its place at the podium from a an overall film-making standpoint, even if the writing didn't break any new ground.
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Looking at the year RotK won, it sure as hell deserved to win best picture over crap like Lost in Translation, Seabiscuit, and Mystic River. The only other option was Master and Commander, and while I liked it a lot it wasn't as good as RotK.

Titanic was just crap. Its story sucked, its acting was mediocre, and its effects weren't that impressive, just ok. At least RotK was a great story with a great cast, Titanic won because it made a lot of money and it had about 10 minutes of pretty good effects of a boat sinking. Its like Bay's Pearl Harbor but somehow less good.
 
kirk55555 said:
crap like Lost in Translation, Seabiscuit, and Mystic River.
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Please tell me you watched those movies before posting that.

effects weren't that impressive, just ok.
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They recreated the Titanic to the point of having details that nobody could possibly see. Then they built a lake, and sank an actual boat there. Exactly how much better did you expect those effects to be???
 
I have every single comment on the standard white version from the comics! Klaw was also like killmonger and reeks of horrible history. Everything the kree themselves like watching is not relevant. Ccarol isn't kree. So overall it had absolutely nothing to design. Well known kree uniform that she recolors to be more entertaining is not quite fantastic... The comics would complain about my personal costume and accusing me of writing as a villain. I wish the standard white version from the movie today was also like the morphing grid! Shuri was 5000 kree of horrible. I liked all standard version cg. Trying to tie a villain to anything resembling the supporting cast in this theater.
 
Emh said:
As someone who loves the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I agree. I recognize the fact that it won all of those awards as recognition for the whole trilogy and that it's probably unfair for all of the other films that were in competition that year, particularly Master and Commander. But that's also my point: The Academy was recognizing a touchstone. As for Titanic, I agree it was a technical achievement, but as a film, I was unengaged beyond the visuals. I haven't seen the film since it was in theaters and I have no interest in seeing it again, simply out of lack of interest and feeling like I would gain anything from the experience.
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In the cases of Titanic and Lord of the Rings though, they were film-making achievements that exceeded anything being done at the time in addition to having such massive cultural moments surrounding them. Black Panther is no such filmmaking achievement.
 
Venardhi said:
In the cases of Titanic and Lord of the Rings though, they were film-making achievements that exceeded anything being done at the time in addition to having such massive cultural moments surrounding them. Black Panther is no such filmmaking achievement.
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Are you sure? Me and you don't seem to get it, but the general audiences are pretty stunned by the movie.
 
I get the cultural moment, and I appreciate what it means for a lot of people both in the audience and the industry, but they didn't push any technological boundaries or show us something that is going to change filmmaking forever. Awarding inclusion and representation should absolutely be done, just not under the guise of pretending that the film is some pinnacle of the medium.
 
Well, we should keep in mind that a nomination does not equal a win, but would still be a great achievement for BP and I think it is quite possible. This is especially true since the Academy expanded the number of nominees for Best Picture. That expansion was done (many believe) because Dark Knight was snubbed, a movie that I personally didn't think was that great, but was at least of the superhero genre which used to be locked out of the Best Picture category. So, next year, the timing could be just right for a Best Picture nom for BP.

No guarantee that BP will get that nom, of course. Actually, I'de be just as pleased with a Best Director nom for Ryan Coogler, which would be just as prestigious as Best Picture, IMO. An actual win in that category would be over the moon. We don't know what's coming out in the ensuing months, but as of right now, Coogler has done an Oscar worthy job of directing.
 
Dark Knight definitely deserved a nod for Best Picture. To this day I watch it and enjoy it , and still ponder over the moral issues the film presents. To me if you still can debate and/or have to analyze a movies content and messages 10 years after the fact, it’s a keeper.
 
Here's how it's ranked at the box office relative to other superhero movies.
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                    US Domestic
The Avengers        $623,357,910
Black Panther       $562,015,601

                    US Domestic (Adjusted for Inflation)
The Avengers        $705,769,500
Dark Knight         $683,575,000   
Spider-Man          $637,870,000
Batman              $577,923,400   
Black Panther       $562,015,601

                    Worldwide (US+Overseas)
The Avengers        $1,518,812,988
Avengers: Ultron    $1,405,403,694
Iron Man 3          $1,214,811,252
Capt. America: CW   $1,153,304,495
Dark Knight Rises   $1,084,939,099
Black Panther       $1,078,615,601
 
Snaploud said:
It's number 10 domestically (unadjusted for inflation) but still only 127th in overseas revenue. Is it too early to judge the overseas numbers as a bit disappointing given how well it has done domestically and with critics?
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It's overseas numbers have definitely improved since my last posting. It's now ranked 7th domestically (unadjusted for inflation) and 68th in overseas revenue. Foreign revenue is now a respectable 47.9% of worldwide revenue.
 
How far the genre has come. 10 years ago very few people outside of comics fans even knew who the Black Panther was and the movie studios were too scared make any solo superhero movies that didn't star Batman, Spider-Man or Wolverine.
 
Turtletrekker said:
How far the genre has come. 10 years ago very few people outside of comics fans even knew who the Black Panther was and the movie studios were too scared make any solo superhero movies that didn't star Batman, Spider-Man or Wolverine.
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Wesley Snipes black panther movie was very very close to getting made...
 
Gave it a D. It was pretty much TNG's "Code of Honor" on the big screen. I had no interest in the tribal and black culture mumbo jumbo
 
marsh8472 said:
Gave it a D. It was pretty much TNG's "Code of Honor" on the big screen. I had no interest in the tribal and black culture mumbo jumbo
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How open-minded of you. To reject a movie due to your own prejudices.

Looking at the year RotK won, it sure as hell deserved to win best picture over crap like Lost in Translation, Seabiscuit, and Mystic River
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I would have chosen "Seabiscuit" over "Return of the King", which I disliked heartily.
 
Turtletrekker said:
How far the genre has come. 10 years ago very few people outside of comics fans even knew who the Black Panther was and the movie studios were too scared make any solo superhero movies that didn't star Batman, Spider-Man or Wolverine.
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While I agree that CBMs are huge now days, studios were producing those types of movies for a very long time; The only difference was the shared universe concept didn't exist for said films. The 70's and 80's was pretty bad though there were a few here and there. I think it wasn't until Batman '89 that studios began to see masss appeal in CBMs. In the 90's you had "Blade", "The Crow", "Spawn", "Judge Dredd", "The Rocketeer", etc... In the 2000's there was a little less variety, but you still had movies like "Hellboy", and "Watchmen" alongside Nolan's Batman and the X-Men movies. As @crookeddy stated, Wesley Snipes tried to get a BP movie made made... He would have been an awesome T'Challa BTW (though I'm not saying Bozeman isn't). Maybe Snipes could be in BP2 after the first movie goes on to make <Dr. Evil> 100 BILLION DOLLARS </Dr. Evil>
 
LJones41 said:
How open-minded of you. To reject a movie due to your own prejudices.

I would have chosen "Seabiscuit" over "Return of the King", which I disliked heartily.
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Yea my prejudices, sure. What did it have, like one white guy in the whole movie?
 
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Mantis was better
 
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