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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

Is it?

  • Yes, that's the official word and it still fits

    Votes: 194 44.7%
  • Yes, but it's borderline at this point

    Votes: 44 10.1%
  • No, there's just too many inconsistencies

    Votes: 147 33.9%
  • I don't care about continuity, just the show's quality

    Votes: 49 11.3%

  • Total voters
    434
At this point I'm less interested in arguing about Klingon Foreheads than I am something else. Foreheads are Old Hat. But the male Klingon anatomy as revealed in "Will You Take My Hand?" Since it's revealed that male Klingons have two "organs", does this mean that AshVoq was forced to become half the man he used to be?

And Kor, Koloth, and Kang. Do they only have one in TOS and have more than one in DS9... or are they half-unics?

It also gives a whole new meaning to Sisko telling Worf and Dax to try to not break any bones.
I would say they simply have 2 urinary tracts. It's kinda weird, but I could see the benefits, and it's in keeping with "Klingon redundancy."

Having two sexual organs would be...
...really freaking stupid, imo.
 
Most likely.

Which means twice as much work for Tom with B'Elanna. So Tom must have a lot of stamina.
B'Elanna was only half-Klingon, remember?

Besides, this whole two dicks thing is likely exclusive to the DiscoKlingons, which very very clearly aren't even trying to be the Klingons of Trek's past. They're bald because according to BTS soruces, their ridges are meant to be sensory organs. These ridges go all the way down their bodies, totally contradicting bare-necked and bare-chested Klingons past.

Just sayin'.
 
And the less we think about that the better. I hope that never makes it into an official canon guide...
I'm deeply confused by this entire discussion.

On the one hand, you are saying you hope the Discovery Klingons end up not being canon because you don't like them... and on the other hand, you're saying you can't pretend that human-looking augments aren't canon just because you don't like them? Those seem to be fundamentally incompatible points of view.

They did not give Voq the shot. Which means they could not as there is no magic "look human" shot.
They didn't need him to look human, they needed him to look like Lieutenant Ash Tyler. Given Voq's genetic deformity, a shot of the augment virus would probably turn him into a weird-looking albino human with an insanely thick Klingon accent.

It's possible that they DID, in fact, inject him with the augment virus as part of his preparations and that his body mostly mutated into something vaguely humanlike; the surgery was necessary to get rid of the parts the virus DIDN'T eliminate, and then they grafted Tyler's face, skin and bone marrow into Voq so he would pass genetic screening too.

Arne Darvin was probably just a straight up Klingon injected with the virus, which is why he, unlike Voq, could be exposed with a simple tricorder scan.
 
B'Elanna was only half-Klingon, remember?

Yup. I remember.

Besides, this whole two dicks thing is likely exclusive to the DiscoKlingons, which very very clearly aren't even trying to be the Klingons of Trek's past.

Well, I think it's safe to say there will never be a two-parter devoted to this issue... unless Star Trek taps into a whole other type of market. So, yeah.
 
B'Elanna was only half-Klingon, remember?

Besides, this whole two dicks thing is likely exclusive to the DiscoKlingons, which very very clearly aren't even trying to be the Klingons of Trek's past.
I just assumed Klingons have a bifurcated dick with two urethras like an echidna or something. Would have interesting implications for reproduction.

What's even more interesting is Alexander's soap opera maturation cycle, which suggests Klingons develop VERY quickly after birth only to slow down much later. Not sure what that really implies as far as Klingon reproduction, but we have a tendency to think of Klingons (and everyone else) as reproducing exact like humans and that is an assumption I think we are better off not making.
 
I just assumed Klingons have a bifurcated dick with two urethras like an echidna or something. Would have interesting implications for reproduction.

I had no idea what echidnas were or what goes into their mating, so I looked it up.

Who says you can't get anything educational out of talking about a TV show?
 
The most logical answer is that they have 2 urinary tracts. I can't think of any possible reason why the would have "2 members in each house." The same goes for the females.
 
I don't see why it would be necessary to have two vaginas when one for reproduction purposes would suffice. Whether male Klingons have two penises doesn't have to mean the female Klingons need to have a place for them.
 
A.) An explanation was given. B.) Entertainment value and internal consistency are different things
Not in the TOS timeframe. B). internal visual consistency is not necessary for my enjoyment. If they change the visuals, they change the visuals. TOS to TMP to TNG. It's not as consistent as we swear it would be.
There's biting involved just ask Harry Kim.
Or Quark.

What's even more interesting is Alexander's soap opera maturation cycle, which suggests Klingons develop VERY quickly after birth only to slow down much later. Not sure what that really implies as far as Klingon reproduction, but we have a tendency to think of Klingons (and everyone else) as reproducing exact like humans and that is an assumption I think we are better off not making.
Potentially, due to their home world, and need for redundancy in anatomy, Klingons may have evolved in a very harsh environment that necessitated a faster maturity cycle for survival, only to slow down at a certain point to allow for their longevity and survival.
We've been told in a previous show that Klingons have redundant organs. Nothing ever said they didn't have two.
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I'm deeply confused by this entire discussion.

On the one hand, you are saying you hope the Discovery Klingons end up not being canon because you don't like them... and on the other hand, you're saying you can't pretend that human-looking augments aren't canon just because you don't like them? Those seem to be fundamentally incompatible points of view.

I've never said I don't want them to be canon. That ship's sailed. The debate is over. We've seen them onscreen. This look is canon, at least for some Klingons. I just said their design sucks.

They're canon. Just like Augment Klingons are canon and TNG-era Klingons are canon. There's room for all three makeup designs if the creators have the guts to touch on the differences that we know exist in this era and have not been retconned away.
 
They're canon. Just like Augment Klingons are canon and TNG-era Klingons are canon. There's room for all three makeup designs if the creators have the guts to touch on the differences that we know exist in this era and have not been retconned away.
Yes, they must have the "guts" to explain away the minutia rather than tell the story the want. How dare they...:rolleyes:

Yeah, I'm slowing not understanding this thread either.
 
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