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Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

How do you rate "Black Panther"?


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They could speed up the Oscars by just having Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor regardless of gender...
The four acting awards are some of the only ones casual viewers actually care about, though. The Oscars would probably get rid of less popular ones like short films and animated shorts before they get rid of "important" awards like the acting ones.
 
They could speed up the Oscars by just having Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor regardless of gender...
The four acting awards are some of the only ones casual viewers actually care about, though. The Oscars would probably get rid of less popular ones like short films and animated shorts before they get rid of "important" awards like the acting ones.
No, what they need to do is stop doing video montages that add nothing (except "In Memoriam," of course) and those silly skits like Jimmy Kimmel leading a group of celebrities to crash a nearby theater.
 
The four acting awards are some of the only ones casual viewers actually care about, though. The Oscars would probably get rid of less popular ones like short films and animated shorts before they get rid of "important" awards like the acting ones.
I don't think he meant get rid of the awards, he just meant give awards to be men and women together, instead of separating them like they do now.
 
I don't think he meant get rid of the awards, he just meant give awards to be men and women together, instead of separating them like they do now.
To what end? Writing and composing and other categories don't differentiate by gender, because it's got nothing to do with those awards, but acting has everything to do with gender: with virtually no exceptions outside of the occasional animation oddity (as in, a woman voicing Bart Simpson), male actors aren't hired to play females and female actors aren't hired to play males. Moreover, women are under-represented in film as is, so combining the acting categories would almost certain result in few female nominees and wins.
 
No, what they need to do is stop doing video montages that add nothing (except "In Memoriam," of course) and those silly skits like Jimmy Kimmel leading a group of celebrities to crash a nearby theater.
Now that I can agree with. I'd probably still keep the performances of the nominated Best Original Songs, though. It's still supposed to be entertainment, and it makes sense to me to show off the songs. But outside of the opening, I'd love for the little skits and video montages (minus In Memoriam, as you said) to go away.
 
To what end? Writing and composing and other categories don't differentiate by gender, because it's got nothing to do with those awards, but acting has everything to do with gender: with virtually no exceptions outside of the occasional animation oddity (as in, a woman voicing Bart Simpson), male actors aren't hired to play females and female actors aren't hired to play males. Moreover, women are under-represented in film as is, so combining the acting categories would almost certain result in few female nominees and wins.

My comment wasn’t really serious but to play devil’s advocate here does that mean they should add best female director and best screenplay written by a woman awards?
 
The 4 hour runtime is ridiculous. There's only 24 categories. That means they're giving out an award on average every 10 minutes and still playing off the winners after 30 seconds. Have a big intro, a few songs, let the host mug a bit and make some jokes, and give the winners a couple minutes to talk.Trim the cringy banter and the sketches and the sponsorship plugs and make it about the awards again. I might just tune in.

Either way, I don't see how Black Panther is deserving in any of the categories, any more than Wonder Woman was deserving this year. They're pretty good movies and proficiently made. That shouldn't be held up as the standard to which cinema should aspire to, no matter what kind of cultural touchstone moment it represents.
 
Now that I can agree with. I'd probably still keep the performances of the nominated Best Original Songs, though. It's still supposed to be entertainment, and it makes sense to me to show off the songs. But outside of the opening, I'd love for the little skits and video montages (minus In Memoriam, as you said) to go away.
The 4 hour runtime is ridiculous. There's only 24 categories. That means they're giving out an award on average every 10 minutes and still playing off the winners after 30 seconds. Have a big intro, a few songs, let the host mug a bit and make some jokes, and give the winners a couple minutes to talk.Trim the cringy banter and the sketches and the sponsorship plugs and make it about the awards again. I might just tune in.
Yeah, I agree with all of that. The song performances may add a lot of time but they're one of the few things that makes the ceremony special. Really, they need to cut down the commercials and commercial breaks, but that will never happen. :(

Either way, I don't see how Black Panther is deserving in any of the categories, any more than Wonder Woman was deserving this year. They're pretty good movies and proficiently made. That shouldn't be held up as the standard to which cinema should aspire to, no matter what kind of cultural touchstone moment it represents.
Putting aside opinions on the quality of the film itself (which I think you're selling it short, but I'm willing to admit I might be praising it too much, time will only tell), I think the cultural touchstone should be enough. Granted the Academy has certainly missed the boat in some instances, particularly Brokeback Mountain, but in other cases, it's swept up by them like Titanic and Lord of the Rings.
 
Yes. Yes. and er, No.
Being asleep while posting would certainly explain how you could have failed to understand that men and women compete for the same directorial and screenwriting jobs, but do not compete for each others' acting roles, thereby making the awards separation entirely rational.
 
Rather than scrap all of the skit's, I'de prefer they maybe cut back some. a Jimmy Kimmel kibitzing with celebs in the audience can be charming and funny, whereas a different host, like say a Dave Letternan, they might want to cut down on this. However, the forays into nearby movie theaters can go.

I also like the film montages. Seems silly to be putting on the premiere film awards show and ignore this enormous history of great film art. I especially like when they narrow the focus of the montage to something like powerful women or newspaper movies or movies about Hollywood. Also, I like the live action insertions into movies skits.

Some of the tech awards can be moved to the private awards show, like sound and sound editing. No one except those in the industry knows much about these things. As for the notion that people only care about the four major acting categories is just plain wrong. Best Screenplay original and adapted, Best Foreign Film, Best Song, Best Animated Short and Long Form, Best Director, Best Picture, in addition to the four major acting awards, are all hugely popular and the results followed.

Cutting a few of the tech awards and a skit or two, is a better idea than stepping on the speeches. Even though many are boring, every now and then you get a gem, like Frances McDormand.
 
Putting aside opinions on the quality of the film itself (which I think you're selling it short, but I'm willing to admit I might be praising it too much, time will only tell), I think the cultural touchstone should be enough. Granted the Academy has certainly missed the boat in some instances, particularly Brokeback Mountain, but in other cases, it's swept up by them like Titanic and Lord of the Rings.
Return of the King didn't deserve Best Picture either, that was one of the more obvious examples of the Academy giving awards to whoever's "turn it was" rather than to the most deserving nominee. (All the more argument for special awards to recognize the advancements of the form as with LotR and Star Wars) Titanic, on the other hand, earned its place at the podium from a an overall film-making standpoint, even if the writing didn't break any new ground.
 
The moment Killmonger shot his partner there was no coming back for him for me. Live or die, I lost any concern for that outcome at that moment. He showed he's a monster, regardless of his hardships. I wouldn't care to see him again in a sequel. They can have the same dramatic debates with T'Challa's betrayer friend to get the same points across.
Errr... the whole massacre at the museum..?

The film has the second highest weekend ever at $108 million and has been outpacing The Avengers since the first Sunday with the exception of the second Friday (missing by less than half a million). At this rate, and I don't see any sign of the film slowing down, Black Panther will not only be Marvel's biggest film, but the biggest superhero film ever.
Ok, serious question. Do you guys have any inflation? The Avengers was released in the 2012. Was the ticket price the same? Why do people never mention the number of tickets sold?

Eta. According to this site the average ticket price in the 2018 went up by 15% from the 2012.
 
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Errr... the whole massacre at the museum..?


Ok, serious question. Do you guys have any inflation? The Avengers was released in the 2012. Was the ticket price the same? Why do people never mention the number of tickets sold?

Eta. According to this site the average ticket price in the 2018 went up by 15% from the 2012.
Number of tickets sold should be the barometer used when trying to judge a films success.

Far as the Academy Awards go, I doubt there is much that can be done to increase viewership . Watching a bunch of speeches by rich celebs about movies I could care less about isn't very entertaining no matter how much they shorten the program.
 
I haven't watched the Oscars in several years, I just check the results online the morning.
 
Return of the King didn't deserve Best Picture either, that was one of the more obvious examples of the Academy giving awards to whoever's "turn it was" rather than to the most deserving nominee. (All the more argument for special awards to recognize the advancements of the form as with LotR and Star Wars) Titanic, on the other hand, earned its place at the podium from a an overall film-making standpoint, even if the writing didn't break any new ground.
As someone who loves the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I agree. I recognize the fact that it won all of those awards as recognition for the whole trilogy and that it's probably unfair for all of the other films that were in competition that year, particularly Master and Commander. But that's also my point: The Academy was recognizing a touchstone. As for Titanic, I agree it was a technical achievement, but as a film, I was unengaged beyond the visuals. I haven't seen the film since it was in theaters and I have no interest in seeing it again, simply out of lack of interest and feeling like I would gain anything from the experience.
 
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