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Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

How do you rate "Black Panther"?


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Black Panther has become just the tenth film to reach $500 dollars and was the third fastest film to do it in just 17 days, missing The Last Jedi by a mere $2 million and one day.

The film continues to outpace The Avengers, earning $43.5 million more at this same point.

The film also had the third highest third weekend with $65.7 million, after The Force Awakens and Avatar, missing the latter by only $2.5 million, and Box Office Mojo suggests it's possible the film could pass Avatar when actuals come in because the margin is so close.

Overseas, the film continues to be as much of a smash success as it is domestically:

Speaking of worldwide, Black Panther added another $56.2 million internationally this weekend, pushing its overseas cume of $396.6 million for a global tally just shy of $900 million. This weekend saw the film open in Japan with an estimated $2.4 million ($4.2M including previews), besting Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor: Ragnarok. The UK still leads all international markets with nearly $50 million followed by South Korea ($41.4 million). Black Panther will open in China, its final international market, next weekend.​
 
I wonder how it is doing in Africa as a whole. Where I am it is the first time a movie has sold out days in advance, but there is literally only one theater and many countries have fewer screens than other places, which is why I'd be interested in seeing some aggregated data on that.
 
Hm, that's a good question. Box Office Mojo's international results only lists South Africa, which earned $3,476,444 during February 16-25 with an opening weekend of $1,449,905. I expected them to also include Egypt but it's not listed. I don't know of any sites that track Africa results, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
 
It's number 10 domestically (unadjusted for inflation) but still only 127th in overseas revenue. Is it too early to judge the overseas numbers as a bit disappointing given how well it has done domestically and with critics?
 
Honestly, I can't imagine it would be disappointing even if the overseas take were far worse. It is simply overperforming in the US Box office, rather than underperforming elsewhere. For a movie set in Africa and featuring African characters, this movie is made from a very American perspective and it would frankly be surprising (to me, anyways) if international audiences responded to it the same way the American one has.
 
Just looking at (unadjusted) numbers for superhero movies only it's #3 domestically and #7 worldwide combined so I think it's done all right and it's not finished.
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                    US Domestic  Worldwide (US+Overseas)
The Avengers        $623,357,910 $1,518,812,988
Avengers: Ultron    $459,005,868 $1,405,403,694
Iron Man 3          $409,013,994 $1,214,811,252
Capt. America: CW   $408,084,349 $1,153,304,495
Dark Knight Rises   $448,139,099 $1,084,939,099
The Dark Knight     $534,858,444 $1,004,558,444
Black Panther       $501,105,037   $896,705,037

Granted, some of the other movies did really well in the overseas take but taken as a whole it's been pretty successful.

Watching TV over the weekend I saw SNL had mentions of Wakanda and boxer Deontay Wilder had a King of Wakanda shirt backstage at his match.
 
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Saw it for the second time today, and greatly enjoyed both viewings. My first was in Oakland, and while I usually hate any moviegoing distractions, it was tons of fun hearing some of the black audience members cheering, tsk-tsking, and generally vocally engaging with the characters. :D

It's true that, in many ways, the movie is made of borrowed parts: thematic parallels with Thor 1+3, and an action climax that pairs Ant-Man's stop-the-weapons-exportation mission with Avatar's previously neutral force riding to the rescue. What's more, the movie sets itself many tasks: introducing Wakanda pretty much out of the blue into an established cinematic universe, telling a compelling Wakanda story, telling a compelling T'Challa story despite him being a grown-ass man and wise/compassionate from the start (having already overcome some demons in Civil War), and laying the groundwork for Wakanda's tech changing the MCU world as we know it, as well as giving the groundlings (myself included) their requisite dose of action. In all these challenges, I think it succeeds with high marks across the board.

That said, this being a discussion board, I can nitpick a few small things...

- The effortless defeat of the convoy soldiers in Nigeria could have been skipped over with a few quick cuts.
- I would have liked a note of concern for civilian safety during the car chase, which, again, was fairly effortless and could have been trimmed.
- Why was Ross not kept sedated while being healed? I'm glad he wasn't, as he ended up being a great character who recalled Phil Coulson's relatively carefree pre-TAHITI persona, but even after Klaue told him the truth about Wakanda, this seemed an odd oversight.
- When it was being argued that the world was changing, and getting smaller, it seems to me Okoye should have mentioned the outside world/The Avengers' tech catching up with Wakanda, as we've already seen other heroes hold their own against T'Challa. I totally respect the distance between this movie and the rest of the films, but this seemed like one moment where a brief reference would have not only been appropriate, but improved the scene at hand.
- The final fistfight between T'Challa and Killmonger was kinda meh.
- With 2-3 minutes saved by trimming the action sequences, I would have appreciated a funeral/medical scene for the casualties of the battle at the end, as well as some view of ordinary non-combatant Wakandans besides extras in the coronation scene and that one street.
- Speaking of which, It was a bit lame to have T'Challa and Nakia walk and talk in the same city street for both their conversations.

But these are minor points. For my grade, I'll go with a B+. One of the better MCU films, but not in my personal top five, as I prefer the quippier, more banter-heavy heroes and flicks. That said, I am very interested to see where the series (and indeed MCU) goes from here. Moreover, it goes without saying that the movie's astonishing cultural acclamation and box-office success is wonderful for black and minority audiences at home and abroad. The MCU should absolutely have become more diverse before this 18th film was released (there's zero reason Peter Quill, Scott Lang or Doctor Strange all needed to be white American males), but making such a big splash within the MCU and in the real-world is a welcome consolation.

And I definitely give the movie points for, in the first MCU Wakanda story, already blowing up the cozy magical isolationism that has (to my knowledge) never even been debated in J.K. Rowling's Wizarding World. (Seriously, Hermione is outspokenly political and Muggle-born and raised, but never once even discusses the idea of openly engaging with the non-magical world? Lame!) Finally, if Agents of SHIELD gets a sixth season (a big if), it'd be awesome to see Coulson and Co. dealing with Wakanda-related scenarios...

And, here's to Coogler for that mid-credits jab at Trump, following the several ones from AoS. Now, let's get a female POTUS to succeed Ellis, shall we?! :bolian:
 
- Why was Ross not kept sedated while being healed? I'm glad he wasn't, as he ended up being a great character who recalled Phil Coulson's relatively carefree pre-TAHITI persona, but even after Klaue told him the truth about Wakanda, this seemed an odd oversight.
Good point, especially considering Ross even thought he was sedated for a long time when he first woke, albeit because of his physical condition. But like you said, I'm glad he wasn't because he was joy on the level of cinematic Coulson.

And I definitely give the movie points for, in the first MCU Wakanda story, already blowing up the cozy magical isolationism that has (to my knowledge) never even been debated in J.K. Rowling's Wizarding World. (Seriously, Hermione is outspokenly political and Muggle-born and raised, but never once even discusses the idea of openly engaging with the non-magical world? Lame!)
Ha! I never thought of that. Of all people, Hermione should've been arguing for that. Maybe in the we-all-know-they're-coming-some-day sequels?

Finally, if Agents of SHIELD gets a sixth season (a big if), it'd be awesome to see Coulson and Co. dealing with Wakanda-related scenarios...
Ooo...I really like that idea. Here's hoping it gets the sixth season but I'm also doubtful.

And, here's to Coogler for that mid-credits jab at Trump, following the several ones from AoS. Now, let's get a female POTUS to succeed Ellis, shall we?! :bolian:
Hell yeah! And they should get someone like Charlize Theron, Julianne Moore, or Viola Davis to play her.
 
Vox's Todd VanDerWerff makes a strong argument for the film's chances at the Oscars next year, both nominations and actual wins. He predicts 12 nominations, a third/two-thirds split between the majors and technicals.

While I agree with most of his analysis and I hope he's right, I think he does miss one obvious potential: Letitia Wright for Best Supporting Actress. Granted she's largely an unknown and it depends on other candidates, but just about every review (including my own) highlights her performance and how she practically stole the film from Chadwick Boseman. But perhaps VanDerWerff is right that Michael B. Jordan and Lupita Nyong'o have better chances because of name recognition and familiarity with the Academy (particularly how they snubbed Jordan for Creed).
 
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I liked the movie, and maybe it was a well filmed MCU movie with some cultural relevance added in... 12 noms?? For what? There was nothing dramatic enough in this movie to warrant acting noms. The acting was on par with other MCU movies. And honestly, some of the effects were subpar, so I wouldn't event give the movie the technical awards.
 
While I agree with most of his analysis and I hope he's right, I think he does miss one obvious potential: Letitia Wright for Best Supporting Actress.
That's funny. After seeing the movie the first time, and thinking about possible Oscar noms for acting, Letitia was the first one I thought of (for Best Supporting).

I do think the movie has at least a shot at noms for Best Picture, Best Supporting Actor and Best Supporting Actor (female). I'de like to say Best Director also, because Coogler did such a great job, but this category is maybe the most elitist of all of the major categories. The fact that Spielberg and Scorsesee have only one each tells all we need to know. So who knows?

I would not be surprised by Oscar noms, but I may be surprised at the categories.
 
Vox's Todd VanDerWerff makes a strong argument for the film's chances at the Oscars next year, both nominations and actual wins. He predicts 12 nominations, a third/two-thirds split between the majors and technicals.

While I agree with most of his analysis and I hope he's right, I think he does miss one obvious potential: Letitia Wright for Best Supporting Actress. Granted she's largely an unknown and it depends on other candidates, but just about every review (including my own) highlights her performance and how she practically stole the film from Chadwick Boseman. But perhaps VanDerWerff is right that Michael B. Jordan and Lupita Nyong'o have better chances because of name recognition and familiarity with the Academy (particularly how they snubbed Jordan for Creed).

Not buying the 12 nominations prediction.

Director... yeah Coogler did a great job with this film.
Acting... yeah, I could see that. Michael B. Jordan was a standout. All of the other actors are a credit to their craft as well.
Screenplay... in my opinion, no way. Obviously it's subjective, but even among the MCU movies, there are better screenplays than BP.
Best Original Song... The music really didn't stand out to me, so I can't really comment one way or the other.
Technical Categories... with the exception of the VFX, I can definitely see BP taking a few of these.

So I'll say 4 tops as far as nominations go.
 
That's funny. After seeing the movie the first time, and thinking about possible Oscar noms for acting, Letitia was the first one I thought of (for Best Supporting).

I do think the movie has at least a shot at noms for Best Picture, Best Supporting Actor and Best Supporting Actor (female). .
It's Best Supporting Actress.
 
It's Best Supporting Actress.
I know, but I think "actress" is a ridiculous word that I try never to use. :)

Also forgot to mention that I think "All the Stars' would be a worthy Best Song nominee. Cinematography might also be a possibility since that is one of the movies' strong points and because cinematographer, Rachel Morrison, was a nominee this past year.

Was listening to The Watch podcast lanight and they thought BP had a shot at a Best Picture nom for next year.
 
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