I'll give Discovery for the fact it's gritty and not afraid to take chances but it doesn't "feel" like Star Trek and looks far too advanced. Had the show been set post DS9/Voyager it be better. I'm also not paying to watch a show that should be on Network TV.
Voyager fans.. are you disappointed about Discovery?
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I've not watched the show though I have heard of its various characters and plotlines-frankly I'm not really interested and actually less interested the more I read or hear about it.
With season one been and gone, it's kinda hilarious how it totally negates Voyager's premise. In the finale we're told...
Starfleet doesn't want them using the spore drive again until a non-human pilot can be found, which 110% would never ever stop Janeway from building one and using it once to get home.
Now I'm glad I didn't watch discovery. This sounds incredibly stupid.With season one been and gone, it's kinda hilarious how it totally negates Voyager's premise. In the finale we're told...
Starfleet doesn't want them using the spore drive again until a non-human pilot can be found, which 110% would never ever stop Janeway from building one and using it once to get home.
Spore drives-what a ridiculous and unnecessary concept.
I mean not as stupid as the MU arc-from what I heard of that-it seems like I made a good investment in ignoring the show.
Dude, Voyager gave us the Infinity Transwarp Salamander Drive™. It has no high ground here
Which was one episode. One episode that everyone forgot about and everyone ignores.Dude, Voyager gave us the Infinity Transwarp Salamander Drive™. It has no high ground here
It's not like TOS or TNG didn't introduce one off game changing technologies and then forget them the next episode.
Still not seeing the difference
If anything, DSC had the balls to stick with it's game-changing technology for the whole season (and will likely bring it back again and hopefully come up with a more permanent and plausible reason why they cannot use it)
Anyway I don't even watch Discovery and never cared for it. So I my opinions are based on what I glean from reading reviews, other people's opinions, etc...
First, I wanted to apologize to have been less present lately due to my Mum's unexpected death. I needed to step back a little... 
About Discovery compared to Voyager, I'd say that I appreciated to see again strong women taking the lead after Kathryn Janeway or Kira Nerys.
-> I was more impressed by Michelle Yeoh (aka Capt Philippa Georgiou)'s performance than by Sonequa Martin-Green (aka Michael Burnham)'s one even if this one had character as XO, much more than Chakotay!).
-> I followed the whole s1 but I already know that the next will be without me. this new adventure of the saga was a bit too violent for me , without talking about the fact that it went in too much directions as the point to make things confusing for me and tired me quickly!
That being said, I'd say that the big change with Voyager I appreciated was the fact that the producers did not hesitate to knowingly kill important people, regardless how upsetting it would be for viewers because well, casualities during a mission - controlled or not, long or short - can fall on anyone, known or unknown, loved/hatedor indifferent. It is the normal short of things which is respected. What is interested afterwards, is the emotional impact that these losses would have on
those who remain alive but potentially hurt physically and/or disturbed emotionally and psychologically...
I never understood why the small team of senior officiers in Voyager, remained unchanged in 7 years while other minor officers on board (even if they weren't so numerous at the end) dropped like flies over the attacks and diseases. It was just incoherent!
And please, do not talk about the death of Adm. Kathryn Janeway which was insignificant because let's be honest, excepted sharing the same face and body that our beloved Captain, even if older than 20-25 years, she was a stranger so, with no true emotional attachment.
On the other hand, disorganizing the Voyager's "family" in killing one of them (Chakotay, Tuvok, Seven, B'Elena or Tom) would surely have had another impact, emotionally deeper, on viewers because well, we had time to get used to, to focus on and of course to appreciate them -> suddenly not to see them on the Bridge and/or during the staff meetings anymore, would have hit us hard, knowing what they brought to Voyager and the "family" and how Janeway would have felt pained guilty for their loss (and we know how dedicated she was with her senior staff)
* Note that I didn't quote Cpt Kathryn Janeway among the potential casualities because, whether we want it or not, her character killed off, there would be no series anymore. This is surely why the producers have always made sure to keep her alive.and the actress on board!
About Discovery compared to Voyager, I'd say that I appreciated to see again strong women taking the lead after Kathryn Janeway or Kira Nerys.
-> I was more impressed by Michelle Yeoh (aka Capt Philippa Georgiou)'s performance than by Sonequa Martin-Green (aka Michael Burnham)'s one even if this one had character as XO, much more than Chakotay!).
-> I followed the whole s1 but I already know that the next will be without me. this new adventure of the saga was a bit too violent for me , without talking about the fact that it went in too much directions as the point to make things confusing for me and tired me quickly!
That being said, I'd say that the big change with Voyager I appreciated was the fact that the producers did not hesitate to knowingly kill important people, regardless how upsetting it would be for viewers because well, casualities during a mission - controlled or not, long or short - can fall on anyone, known or unknown, loved/hatedor indifferent. It is the normal short of things which is respected. What is interested afterwards, is the emotional impact that these losses would have on
those who remain alive but potentially hurt physically and/or disturbed emotionally and psychologically...
I never understood why the small team of senior officiers in Voyager, remained unchanged in 7 years while other minor officers on board (even if they weren't so numerous at the end) dropped like flies over the attacks and diseases. It was just incoherent!
And please, do not talk about the death of Adm. Kathryn Janeway which was insignificant because let's be honest, excepted sharing the same face and body that our beloved Captain, even if older than 20-25 years, she was a stranger so, with no true emotional attachment. On the other hand, disorganizing the Voyager's "family" in killing one of them (Chakotay, Tuvok, Seven, B'Elena or Tom) would surely have had another impact, emotionally deeper, on viewers because well, we had time to get used to, to focus on and of course to appreciate them -> suddenly not to see them on the Bridge and/or during the staff meetings anymore, would have hit us hard, knowing what they brought to Voyager and the "family" and how Janeway would have felt pained guilty for their loss (and we know how dedicated she was with her senior staff)
* Note that I didn't quote Cpt Kathryn Janeway among the potential casualities because, whether we want it or not, her character killed off, there would be no series anymore. This is surely why the producers have always made sure to keep her alive.and the actress on board!
Discovery is badly written, well executed (acting wise) and messy. Major disappointment.
So sorry for your loss, Ghislaine.First, I wanted to apologize to have been less present lately due to my Mum's unexpected death. I needed to step back a little...
Disappointed? It's better than my very low expectations. Of course it has some issues and could be better. But on the balance it's a good show.
Well I (long time Trekker and big Voyager fan) liked Discovery fine; IMO the cast is great, the characters are cool, the writing fascinating, and the production values superb, so all in all, besides some for me instances of over-violence, am pleased with the new Trek show, and looking forward to season 2, yes!
Thank you, Refuge. :-)
I started to lose interest as soon as I realized that Discovery wold be a retro series, another lame attempt to re-write TOS and screwing up establshed Trek history again.
I definitely lost interest when I saw the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles who are supposed to be "Klingons".
Another megalomanic producer involved who just have to put his mark on the project by changing something established in Star Trek, like blowing up planets who are existing in TNG/DS9/VOY or turning Klingons into Turtles.
I definitely lost interest when I saw the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles who are supposed to be "Klingons".
Another megalomanic producer involved who just have to put his mark on the project by changing something established in Star Trek, like blowing up planets who are existing in TNG/DS9/VOY or turning Klingons into Turtles.
I remember when I first heard about Discovery, and saw the teaser. I heard about a Hispanic actress playing a Lt commander main character or something. It was so mysterious- a top secret project in an asteroid field, set in the TOS movie era(I thought). It felt exciting. Everything ended up very different from that initial impression.
I just finished the first season. I still refuse to pay for it and only watched because my boyfriend's father already had a subscription and is a trekkie.
Overall i enjoyed the show. Food action, special effects, comedy. In general it is a good science fictuon show.
BUT....it has nothing that makes it feel like Star Trek. The producers have insisted that it is set in the Prime universe but clearly it's not. And I DO NOT like the Klingons at all.
Really the only way i enjoyed the show was to imagine it as something outside of the Trek universe.
Overall i enjoyed the show. Food action, special effects, comedy. In general it is a good science fictuon show.
BUT....it has nothing that makes it feel like Star Trek. The producers have insisted that it is set in the Prime universe but clearly it's not. And I DO NOT like the Klingons at all.
Really the only way i enjoyed the show was to imagine it as something outside of the Trek universe.
Ok I've watched the entire first season of Discovery so spoilers are below.
On the positive side the stories are darker, the risks greater and its serialized which I'm ok with. It's different. It also has really good actors for the most part.
However, on the negative, I feel absolutely nothing for the crew. There is little to no chemistry between the cast or characters except Tyler.
Spoiler Alert:
Far worse though is that there is little character development except for the lead and she gets everything. Take every interesting character even produced on Star Trek and it's her. She is searching for her humanity (Data, Seven, the doctor, Odo); struggling with her emotions (Spock); her parents were killed by enemy Klingons (Kira); raised by another race as a child (7, Kira); betrayed by her mentor Sarek (Data and Dr. Sung); defied her captain to protect the crew(Chakotay); stands up to Starfleet on moral grounds (Maquis); is a great scientist and engineer (Spock, Geordie, B'elanna, Scotty, Janeway, too many to mention); was betrayed by her lover who was actually a spy (Chakotay and Seska); amazing negotiator (Picard and the other captains); wanted by both sides in the mirror universe (Seven with the Borg and Janeway)....ok I'm tired...the list just goes on and on. It's too much imo.The rest of the crew get barely a nod. The first gay romance on board lasted a few episodes and then one is killed. No lead up, just there one minute, gone the next. Its daunting.
It's like lumping 7, Janeway and the doc into one and everyone else sits pushing buttons. She is literally everywhere.
I'll try season 2 but if Next Gen is any indication, I may only make it half way. Then I'll pop in again 10 years from now and try again
On the positive side the stories are darker, the risks greater and its serialized which I'm ok with. It's different. It also has really good actors for the most part.
However, on the negative, I feel absolutely nothing for the crew. There is little to no chemistry between the cast or characters except Tyler.
Spoiler Alert:
Far worse though is that there is little character development except for the lead and she gets everything. Take every interesting character even produced on Star Trek and it's her. She is searching for her humanity (Data, Seven, the doctor, Odo); struggling with her emotions (Spock); her parents were killed by enemy Klingons (Kira); raised by another race as a child (7, Kira); betrayed by her mentor Sarek (Data and Dr. Sung); defied her captain to protect the crew(Chakotay); stands up to Starfleet on moral grounds (Maquis); is a great scientist and engineer (Spock, Geordie, B'elanna, Scotty, Janeway, too many to mention); was betrayed by her lover who was actually a spy (Chakotay and Seska); amazing negotiator (Picard and the other captains); wanted by both sides in the mirror universe (Seven with the Borg and Janeway)....ok I'm tired...the list just goes on and on. It's too much imo.The rest of the crew get barely a nod. The first gay romance on board lasted a few episodes and then one is killed. No lead up, just there one minute, gone the next. Its daunting.
It's like lumping 7, Janeway and the doc into one and everyone else sits pushing buttons. She is literally everywhere.
I'll try season 2 but if Next Gen is any indication, I may only make it half way. Then I'll pop in again 10 years from now and try again
Berman and Braga tried their best to dismiss TOS with their versions of Trek! TNG, DS9 and VOY! They failed in my opinion but they did give us three series of good stories and arcs to keep us interested! Then they made ENT and tried to really push TOS into the background but that was cancelled! Now I feel that DSC is coming in and trying the same thing again, only this time it's out to dismiss all previous Treks and I'm sure like ENT, it will fail too!
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Yay!!! Failure!
