The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

[Pauln6]

The xmen proper franchise has not yet run its course but the Phoenix story might move it into that position. Personally, I still want to see Sinister and the Marauders carrying out the Morlock Massacre and then working Cable into an Apocalypse story. Then I could say I feel they've done everything I wanted to see. I could also live with an x23 movie featuring 'surviving' Xmen.

Hell, if they want to do an Age of Apocalypse movie with cable as the linchpin, the franchise could reboot itself again while staying in the same continuity.

 

[Anwar]

The xmen proper franchise has not yet run its course but the Phoenix story might move it into that position.

I dunno why they keep going for Phoenix anyways, it wasn't even THAT good a story to begin with. It's just Jean Grey's only actual storyline.

 

[JD]

I Marvel has already said they want to bring the X-Men into the MCU, and they're probably going to want to do so with a clean slate. Feige and co probably already have their own ideas for the X-Men, and they are not going to want to have to work around the stuff that Fox has developed. The only way I could see the current movie universe continuing is if it is left separate from the MCU, but that seems very unlikely.

 

[Pauln6]

I dunno why they keep going for Phoenix anyways, it wasn't even THAT good a story to begin with. It's just Jean Grey's only actual storyline.

It's her most iconic storyline but not her only one. I'm more annoyed at the way they hollowed out the emotional heart of Archangel's most iconic storyline. At least if they redo the Phoenix story, it closes the circle created in Dofp.

The problem I have with Jean's portrayal is more to do with her lack of imagination with her powers. They don't need scaling up to be interesting and versatile but then it's only really Mystique, Magneto, and Quicksilver and that get the chance to have fun with their powers, and Storm, up to a point. Even Storm is a bit problematic, starting off ok, using some logic to the way her powers worked but then they 'forgot' that her flight is generated by imprecise, strong winds, effectively stealing Archangel's only real talent.

I agree that Disney will want to reboot BUT they have more than enough characters for now and most reboots have failed to live up to expectations. If Disney does reboot, I have slightly more faith that they will try to portray the comic characters more accurately but that said, Scarlet Witch's powers didn't really translate well. Pink telekinesis instead of probability manipulation? Boooooring and used with the same lack of imagination as Jean's. Her hypnosis has a bit more potential admittedly.

 

[Relayer1]

and then working Cable into an Apocalypse story.

I'm in the final stages of something of an epic comics catch up after drifting away from them in the late 1980's. I wasn't familiar with Cable - I am now.

I'm hard pressed to think of a less interesting, less engaging or more tedious character. He's terrible.

 

[Anwar]

It's her most iconic storyline but not her only one.

It's the only one anyone remembers her for, though.

I agree that Disney will want to reboot BUT they have more than enough characters for now and most reboots have failed to live up to expectations.

They did fine with Spider-Man being rebooted.

Pink telekinesis instead of probability manipulation? Boooooring and used with the same lack of imagination as Jean's. Her hypnosis has a bit more potential admittedly.

The problem with Wanda is that her powers have always been too nebulous, even the comics can make up their mind as to what "Probability Manipulating" actually means.

 

[Pauln6]

I'm in the final stages of something of an epic comics catch up after drifting away from them in the late 1980's. I wasn't familiar with Cable - I am now.

I'm hard pressed to think of a less interesting, less engaging or more tedious character. He's terrible.

I never really liked Cable but then I never liked Deadpool either and I never really understood why everyone wanted Wolverine to be in everything. Chris Claremont kept him in check but eventually had to bow to pressure.

That said, I thought Cable's link to Stryfe and Apocalypse had potential.

 

[Pauln6]

It's the only one anyone remembers her for, though.

They did fine with Spider-Man being rebooted.

The problem with Wanda is that her powers have always been too nebulous, even the comics can make up their mind as to what "Probability Manipulating" actually means.

The first or the second Spiderman reboot?

In fairness, Jean spent a lot of time dead, so it's hard to build up iconic roles. She's an important part of the ensemble but it's true that most of the stories that focused on her alone revolved around her being Phoenix or thinking she was Phoenix again or someone else thinking she was Phoenix etc. But be honest, how many iconic storylines have say Iceman, Colossus, or Dazzler had? Most characters help form the group dynamic rather than be the full focus.

Probability manipulation is indeed nebulous and open to story abuse. Sounds great to me!

 

[Anwar]

The first or the second Spiderman reboot?

The MCU one.

In fairness, Jean spent a lot of time dead, so it's hard to build up iconic roles.

She wasn't gone THAT long.

But be honest, how many iconic storylines have say Iceman, Colossus, or Dazzler had?

None that I can remember, but none of them are really important characters either.

Probability manipulation is indeed nebulous and open to story abuse. Sounds great to me!

Sounds lazy to me.

 

[Dream]

FOX is trying to do a Kitty Pryde movie for some reason. That says everything right there.

 

[Pauln6]

The MCU one.



She wasn't gone THAT long.



None that I can remember, but none of them are really important characters either.



Sounds lazy to me.

Lol. The point I was making is that a reboot is not necessarily well regarded, 'better', or successful.

Jean has been dead for 17 of the last 37 years so she has had a fair bit of time to feature. Phoenix is her own story. Her other key stories have been things about Cable, Onslaught, the Age of Apocalypse, or as support for Cyclops. She is a support character and a love interest but a very important one. They keep choosing Phoenix because it's Hollywood - flashy, massive explosions etc with a tragic emotional core.

Powers that require imagination to bring to life onscreen are the opposite of lazy. In practical terms probability manipulation is just unfocused telekinesis I suppose since telekinesis would be subatomic electromagnetic manipulation to imbue objects with sufficient energy to move them while probability manipulation extends this to weakening atomic bonds. The powers are all linked.

Shadowcat is a great character. I'd be happy to watch a movie featuring her with other characters like Colossus, Iceman, and Rogue.

Credit to Marvel, they have a clear understanding that a 'solo' movie means the focus is on one character but you can still feature other characters prominently. My problem with the xmen movies is that (apart from first class and Apocalypse) they've all been Wolverine movies featuring the X-men rather than X-men movies, and the other two are both origin movies featuring the birth of the X-men with more focus on Charles, Erik, and Raven.

Although X3 gutted the emotional heart of Jean's story, it does at least have a full on proper finale of the X-men performing as a team that is one of my favourite from the franchise.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

FOX is trying to do a Kitty Pryde movie for some reason. That says everything right there.

What do you think that says? I'm all for a Kitty Pryde film (especially one that stars Ellen Page) and I know I'm not the only one.

 

[DigificWriter]

My problem with the xmen movies is that (apart from first class and Apocalypse) they've all been Wolverine movies featuring the X-men rather than X-men movies, and the other two are both origin movies featuring the birth of the X-men with more focus on Charles, Erik, and Raven.

Both of these statements are huge overexaggerations.

 

[Pauln6]

Both of these statements are huge overexaggerations.

Hyperbole is the bread and butter of every forum!

But if you look at Hulk and Valkyrie in Ragnarok and the Avengers in Civil War compared to a standard Avengers movie you can see parallels to how the X-men movies treat Wolverine. It's very much his journey of discovery, his emotional roller-coaster rather than Scott's. Him that is sent back in time etc.

 

[Set Harth]

Because of the fact that it's not 1981 anymore, Wolverine was really the only character that could be sent back in time ( barring, perhaps, Charles himself ). It wasn't just another manifestation of his focus in the prior films in the series.

 

[Pauln6]

Because of the fact that it's not 1981 anymore, Wolverine was really the only character that could be sent back in time ( barring, perhaps, Charles himself ). It wasn't just another manifestation of his focus in the prior films in the series.

Yes but that was the excuse given in the plot and the decision to set the movie in the seventies - a decision that has spread the characters who have served together in the comics over three decades is not a plus for the franchise and is the primary cause of continuity errors. A different plot could have focused on a different character.

That said I really enjoyed Dofp and it probably had the best plot out of all the movies. My one criticism is that in the Rogue cut, Rogue should have been shown with flight and super strength instead of the same timid character from the first movie.

 

[Anwar]

Because of the fact that it's not 1981 anymore, Wolverine was really the only character that could be sent back in time ( barring, perhaps, Charles himself ). It wasn't just another manifestation of his focus in the prior films in the series.

No, they could've had Beast be alive in the future and sent him back.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

They only ever called the Origins character Emma Frost in promotional material, not in the film itself, and the First Class character is clearly meant to be a different person, not to mention the Origins character displayed no psychic abilities whatsoever.

Wasn't a lot of the stuff on Stryker's island just done for legal reasons? A "Lets make sure we cram as many mutants as possible into the background so we can retain the rights to them" kind of thing? I seem to recall hearing that somewhere. There are a couple mutants in the background in that scene that I think are supposed to be Quicksilver & Banshee. Actually, it might really be Quicksilver for all we know, because we know he was around back then in the original timeline and Wolverine mentions having met him when he was older. The other one couldn't be Banshee, however, since X-Men: Days of Future Past established that he died sometime prior to 1973. (Unless he was just captured and everyone assumed that he died. I don't believe that we saw an autopsy photo of him like we did of Emma Frost, Azazel, & Angel.)

Another one bites the dust!

http://deadline.com/2018/01/gambit-moviegore-verbinksi-leaves-director-1202240851/

He probably left because the studio insisted on making something with a sensible budget & 3-act structure! I like Verbinski's work but there's a certain bloat to both The Lone Ranger and his Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy that need to be reined in.

No, they could've had Beast be alive in the future and sent him back.

As a big fan of both the Kelsey Grammer & Nicholas Hoult versions of the character, I love the idea! But I also thought that what they did with Wolverine was perfectly fine. I don't think he over-dominated the movie the way that he did with some of the early ones and I liked the reversal where he had to be the mentor for Xavier rather than the other way around.

[Sarcasm]And the US government assassinated JFK.[/Sarcasm]

Conspiracy much?

Not at all relevant, but I'm legally required to post this clip whenever the JFK assassination is mentioned.

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[Enterprise is Great]

Fox Teams Tim Miller, Brian Michael Bendis For ‘X-Men’ Mystery Project ‘143’

 

[Anwar]

Fox Teams Tim Miller, Brian Michael Bendis For ‘X-Men’ Mystery Project ‘143’

Little late for any new projects...