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I don't really mind the $ amount as much as the 6 years.

Rosenthal says the Dodgers' offer was essentially the same money-wise, but the Cubs included multiple opt-outs in the style of Heyward's contract, which tipped the scales in their favor.

Edit: Yep, opt-outs after years 2 and 3 plus a full no-trade, so Darvish gets the security of six years but the chance to test the market after the bananas 2018 - 19 free agent class. If he didn't have those opt-outs and the no-trade, this contract would be a disaster for labor.

You're missing the big question: will Yu Darvish now have to go on Food Stamps because he is so grossly underpaid?!?
Yeah, $21M per year is practically below the poverty line.

You guys joke, but the players generated more than $10 billion in revenue last year and got about 41 percent of that. No players = no revenue, and it's not like ownership reinvests its earnings in better pay for stadium workers, or lower ticket prices, or anything like that, so from where I sit labor should get every penny it can.
 
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And we will likely continue to joke because most of us working stiffs have zero sympathy for someone making a guaranteed 126 million dollars to throw a baseball being considered underpaid, or not it being considered a fair deal or whatever.
 
And we will likely continue to joke because most of us working folks have zero sympathy for someone making a guaranteed 126 million dollars to throw a baseball being considered underpaid, or not it being considered a fair deal or whatever.

That's crab mentality. "I don't make that much, so he shouldn't either."

The response should be, "He makes that much, so why the fuck am I not earning more?"
 
That's crab mentality. "I don't make that much, so he shouldn't either."

The response should be, "He makes that much, so why the fuck am I not earning more?"

Hey, good for him for landing a deal that is worth money than I will ever see in several lifetimes. I don't blame players for trying to get as much as they can but if they are not happy with their piece of the collective pie then maybe they should negotiate a better deal the next time around. I'm still not going to have one whit of sympathy that he should be making more. Cry me a fucking river. He signs a deal for 126 fucking million dollars and that might not be good enough??? Are we kidding???

I get it. You are pro labor. I am certainly not pro owner and I think it's borderline criminal when these fat cats want cities and states to finance their new parks but I am not going to ever consider anyone making 126 mil to play baseball for a living to be bad in any way, shape, or form. And that's guaranteed money. Darvish could have a career ending injury tomorrow and still make that. Yeah, bad deal
 
It's not about "good enough." It's about being compensated fairly for the value you provide to your employer. Baseball players wouldn't earn nearly the money they do if they weren't generating literal billions for owners.

Say you're on a sales team for a software company. You've got, I don't know, 13 sales guys and 12 software developers. Your product, through new innovations and developments, generates several hundred million dollars in new revenue for your company. That revenue literally wouldn't have happened if you and your co-workers weren't in the office every day. But your company pockets the revenues and the profits, and gives you a marginal raise that doesn't even carry with the rate of inflation (MLB's luxury tax threshold increases over the next few years are about half the rate of inflation).

I doubt you'd say, "Thank you sir for this generous gift! I greatly appreciate you! Thank you for allowing me to have a job!"

Edit: And don't talk to me about "us working stiffs." For much of the past three years I've been freelance, working hourly. In some roles I've earned eight bucks an hour, in one I earned $50 an hour but that was a contract gig that lasted less than two months. During my career I've been in ownership, I've been in management and I've been in rank-and-file, and the vast majority of that career has been in rank-and-file. At the rate I'm billing right now for a particular client, it would take me 520 years or so of full-time work to make a single year of Yu Darvish's salary. And you know what? I don't fucking care, because I know the incremental value of my work for my client's bottom line isn't even in the same ZIP code, not even the same state, to what Darvish's is to the Cubs.

Again, I don't sit here and think, "Bah, greedy ballplayer, he gets paid more than enough, boo hoo." I'm much more concerned with a rising tide lifting all boats.
 
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As I said above, I don't begrudge any ballplayer for trying to get as much as he can. The disconnect for most of us comes when trying to justify that somehow 126 million isn't enough. Yes, the players could be making more and if they want that, then (again as I said above) next time negotiate a bigger piece of the pie.
In the meantime I will think that Darvish got a pretty damn good deal. He's set for life. Whatever Harper gets next year will be an insane amount of money and again will be more than enough. If anything, I think that it's the players making league minimum and especially minor league players that need a bump
 
You guys joke, but the players generated more than $10 billion in revenue last year and got about 41 percent of that. No players = no revenue, and it's not like ownership reinvests its earnings in better pay for stadium workers, or lower ticket prices, or anything like that, so from where I sit labor should get every penny it can.

I think more revenue should go to the players. But I don't think 85% of payroll should go to only 15% of the players. The players bought into the idea of if the rich get richer it will also cause the middle and lower tier to get more. Which happened for a while, but there was always going to be a ceiling on what ownership was going to pay. I think we've hit that limit for the most part, but agents continue to sell the idea that salaries are only going to go up, up, up!

More money should go to minor league players, more money should go to younger players who haven't attained free agency (these guys are just as important as the superstars), free-agency should happen earlier in a players career (probably after four full major league seasons) where the big money spent by a team will actually have an impact for more than a year or two, more money should be distributed to retirement funding, players should demand a revenue floor if they are willing to have a luxury tax and draft pick compensation tied to free agency.

I'm just tired of watching the older guys who were successful being the ones who reap much of the reward when, by and large, their day has already come and mostly gone.

Players simply have to be willing to fight for more than a select few being able to make as much as they possibly can at the tail end of their careers.
 
Right. We're supposed to feel bad for them because they're being fucked over by owners, while at the same time they are using their negotiating power to fuck over the guys below them even worse. Sorta kills the sympathy angle, they're using the same logic as the owners.
 
Players simply have to be willing to fight for more than a select few being able to make as much as they possibly can at the tail end of their careers.

They used to. Then Michael Weiner replaced Fehr. :(

EDIT: Hypothetically speaking, say a no-confidence vote on Clark happens and the MLBPA is looking for new leadership. Who should it be? In a perfect world I'd say Fehr, but he's busy prepping the NHLPA for another lockout. Tefere Gebre or Liz Shuler from AFL-CIO would be ideal but I doubt they'd leave considering how tenuous labor's position is in general. So my mind drifts to Scott Boras, assuming he'd divest himself of his client base.
 
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I also think agents like Scott Boras bear some of the responsibility for the current situation as well.

Boras' job is to get every last penny and as many benefits for his clients as he possibly can. In that respect, he's amazing, and I'll say again that he's been the biggest boon to players since Marvin Miller. Yes, he's an asshole, but it's his job to be an asshole, because MLB labor-management relations are by definition adversarial.

Again, a rising tide lifts all boats.
 
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