Spoilers The Flash - Season 4
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Earlier in the episode, Barry had asked Dave/Big Sir what he'd do "when" he got out, and Dave talked about Jiaju, a beautiful retreat in China that he'd always wanted to get away to. I looked it up, and it seems to be a real place: https://www.orientexcess.com/danbas-county-chinas-beautiful-villages/
The question though is would Barry be doing the wrong thing in allowing a innocent man in Big Sir stay in prison if he thinks he is innocent. Plus having ultimate faith in the system always leading to the most moral result might not go over well to someone who has himself just been put in prison for a crime he didn't do and also something that happened to his dad. In fact the very idea that he fights crime as a superhero instead of joining the police sort of indicates that he on some level does not fully trust the system. Barry Allen and team Flash basically doesn't answer to anyone but themselves.
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This is a minor detail that doesn't really effect your point but, he did join the police. He worked as a CSI for years.
Of course just being a superhero with a dual identity means that Barry is willing to lie or break the law when necessary for a good cause, in the name of saving lives and protecting innocents. But he drew the line at lying under oath in a court of law, and at doing so for his own personal gain. I don't think that's hard to understand. Being the Flash means working around the legal system sometimes, but lying under oath in court would be working against the system, and that's massively different.
Well...Barry being sold on the black market wasn't in the Thinker's plans at all. [ETA: Or was it, and he was just lying to his wife?]
It's a wee bit contrived that nobody else seems to have put together the fairly obvious fact under the circumstances that Barry's the Flash.
ETA: OK, somebody spin Barry being unwilling to lie in court to save himself, but being OK with Ralph lying in court to save him.
It's a wee bit contrived that nobody else seems to have put together the fairly obvious fact under the circumstances that Barry's the Flash.
ETA: OK, somebody spin Barry being unwilling to lie in court to save himself, but being OK with Ralph lying in court to save him.
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Interesting continuity this season. These four prisoners -- Kilg%re, Hazard, Black Bison, and Dwarfstar -- are all of the bus metas who ended up in prison. The Weeper ran off and hasn't been seen since, Ralph is on Team Flash now, Dominic is the Thinker now, and Fallout is being treated by Tracy Brand.
Or maybe Dominic isn't the Thinker anymore. At first, I thought he was cloning his mind into all the prisoners simultaneously, but it looks like he was stealing their powers and discarding them before settling on Becky as his new host. I'd be interested in the ramifications for the DeVoes' sex life, if Clifford/Becky hadn't just roofied Marlize with Weeper tears. That is not cool. I wonder what's happened to DeVoe. He used to love Marlize so much, even as the Thinker. But now he's becoming distant, manipulative, using her like he uses other people. Is it because of the new powers and minds he's absorbing? Are they changing him?
And I'm guessing the metas he drained/abandoned are all dead now, since they all learned the Flash's secret identity, and that's usually a death sentence for villains. Which means the Thinker is still planning to capture (and probably drain/kill) Weeper, Fallout, Ralph, and the other four bus metas as part of his Fiendish Plan.
Anyway, that was an inspired play by Ralph. He actually managed to save Barry! Good move! Although it's going to be tricky to keep that promise of continuing to work with the police as DeVoe, especially with Marlize not being willing to cooperate on an ongoing basis.
Also, I do wonder why Ralph's new shapeshifting powers extend to voices. Is the E-Man able to shapeshift like that in the comics, to disguise as well as distort?
This is the third week in a row that we didn't see Barry in costume all episode. It was such a relief to see the Flash in the preview for next week. In fact, we've hardly seen any costumes in the past two weeks, except a bit of Vibe this week. I miss the costumes!
Or maybe Dominic isn't the Thinker anymore. At first, I thought he was cloning his mind into all the prisoners simultaneously, but it looks like he was stealing their powers and discarding them before settling on Becky as his new host. I'd be interested in the ramifications for the DeVoes' sex life, if Clifford/Becky hadn't just roofied Marlize with Weeper tears. That is not cool. I wonder what's happened to DeVoe. He used to love Marlize so much, even as the Thinker. But now he's becoming distant, manipulative, using her like he uses other people. Is it because of the new powers and minds he's absorbing? Are they changing him?
And I'm guessing the metas he drained/abandoned are all dead now, since they all learned the Flash's secret identity, and that's usually a death sentence for villains. Which means the Thinker is still planning to capture (and probably drain/kill) Weeper, Fallout, Ralph, and the other four bus metas as part of his Fiendish Plan.
Anyway, that was an inspired play by Ralph. He actually managed to save Barry! Good move! Although it's going to be tricky to keep that promise of continuing to work with the police as DeVoe, especially with Marlize not being willing to cooperate on an ongoing basis.
Also, I do wonder why Ralph's new shapeshifting powers extend to voices. Is the E-Man able to shapeshift like that in the comics, to disguise as well as distort?
This is the third week in a row that we didn't see Barry in costume all episode. It was such a relief to see the Flash in the preview for next week. In fact, we've hardly seen any costumes in the past two weeks, except a bit of Vibe this week. I miss the costumes!
How do you become the smartest man alive who's difficult to outsmart? Just accept everything that happens. "Yeah! I meant for that to happen all along." Seems to be what DaVoe is doing. Can't one-up someone with that attitude. How do you "defeat" someone like that? Do the same. What's the outcome? A peaceful resolution with both parties making up. No winner.
I thought they were going to do that until I realized that the glimpse of 1990 Flash was just a nod. What we actually got with Shipp as Jay Garrick was better. I can go either way with your crossover suggestion though. I'd be nice to see but I won't miss it if it never happens.
I saw the pic before I read your post and thought that was Rachel Weisz.Speaking of which, it must be said: especially in the courtroom scenes, Kim Engelbrecht looks a lot like Rachel Weisz. Obviously, I am totally okay with this.
I'll give it a shot. It would damage a ton of prior convictions if CSI Barry were found to have committed perjury. Ralph doesn't have that issue; he already screwed up his prior CSI-enabled convictions long ago.
That charade is going to be difficult to keep up and they're going to need an out.
Eh. They just needed to show Devoe alive post-murder scene. A vanished Devoe isn't nearly as big a legal threat to Barry (even if somebody tries to blame it on him). Though, I suppose they could always have him openly plan to leave town.
Given what fans the producers clearly are of the 1990 series, and given how many of its cast members they've brought back as their original roles' doppelgangers, I'm convinced that they would've already done an explicit crossover if they could. I think there must be some legal reason why they can't go all the way, perhaps because of all the parties with a stake in the show -- not just Warner Bros. and DC, but also CBS and Pet Fly Productions.
So the judge never considered the possibility of a shapeshifter in a city that's populated by metahumans? And Marlize just stood there and didn't even pretend to joyfully acknowledge the "resurrection" of her murdered husband.
Nah! We'll take your word for it. If you say you're Devoe, then you're Devoe, and you're alive! By golly, I don't even care whose body you buried or cremated. Forget any DNA tests. Release Mr. Allen!
Nah! We'll take your word for it. If you say you're Devoe, then you're Devoe, and you're alive! By golly, I don't even care whose body you buried or cremated. Forget any DNA tests. Release Mr. Allen!
No, I found that odd too and in fact was checking to see what people were saying.
Then again, Ralph apparently can elongate the melanin in his skin so who knows....
No Kiss?
They danced instead of smoooched.
Shiiiiiit.
Is his show homomophobic?
They danced instead of smoooched.
Shiiiiiit.
Is his show homomophobic?
I do think Marlise will turn against DeVoe. She was a bit uneasy before with DeVoe taking on a new body (Dominic) and she is starting to have doubts about the plan to the point of playing music in her head to try to hide the doubts from DeVoe. She also objected to killing the warden. But I think that act of putting a roofie in her drink will be the last straw. She is going to see that she is a prisoner, not DeVoe's wife anymore. Plus, DeVoe is no longer the man she married, physically or psychologically. I suspect that Marlise was an idealist in the beginning who believed in this Enlightenment concept and truly loved her husband and wanted to help him. But she was not ready for what implementing the plan would really be like. Plus, I suspect that DeVoe has gone completely off script.
Why did DeVoe not zap Barry Allen with his arm-to-brain thing and steal his powers? He could have neutralized the Flash and stolen his speedster powers. That seemed like a huge plot hole unless the writers reveal why The Thinker wants to keep The Flash alive.
My guess is that the The Thinker only wants those specific meta powers because they synergize to help him accomplish his grand plan. But I also get the impression that The Thinker has become drunk with power and his own sense of self-importance.
Why did DeVoe not zap Barry Allen with his arm-to-brain thing and steal his powers? He could have neutralized the Flash and stolen his speedster powers. That seemed like a huge plot hole unless the writers reveal why The Thinker wants to keep The Flash alive.
My guess is that the The Thinker only wants those specific meta powers because they synergize to help him accomplish his grand plan. But I also get the impression that The Thinker has become drunk with power and his own sense of self-importance.
No, I don't think so. But I think a kiss would have been very problematic coming after roofing her drink because it would have been nonconsensual. And let me be clear, showing any nonconsensual kiss (gay or straight) would be a problem. The issue would have been the nonconsensual part, not the gay part. Plus, the dance was a much more creepy way of conveying the same idea.
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