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USS Voyager vs USS Bellerophon

You said, I might as well ask if there's any connection between the 13+ characters Vaughn Armstrong played. You also said something about "small universe syndrome."

The analogy is moot, and it IS a small universe. It's a TV show. In the very same episode, we have "Praetor Neral," a character from TNG's "Unification," and also "Senator Cretak," a character from earlier, unrelated DS9 episodes.

In Koval's case, we have the actor playing basically the same role, same character, but more expanded. In the TNG episode, he's an unnamed, high ranking Romulan intelligence officer. Ten years later, he plays the chairman of Romulan intelligence, with same make up, same mannerisms, demeanor, personality, ethical disposition, etc.

What's even smaller than the universe, is the Tal Shiar, which was small to begin with, then was wiped out.
Basically they'd have to pay royalties; especially if they wanted to use the character again. IIRC, the novels can "speculate" that one character is simply an alias of another, especially when dealing with a secretive spy agency.
Since "Koval" was produced in the staffroom rather than by a spec script; the character belongs to CBS and not the writer.
 
The writer of Mind's Eye was a DS9 staff writer, and still with them in season 7.

Since the Character was never named, Royalties aren't a consideration, and since Koval only appears in one episode, royalties(if that were the case) wouldn't be a cause fir concern. As I said above, there are other returning Romulan characters in that episode, one of them from TNG season 5 and nowhere else.

Tom Paris was only meant to be a character similar to Nick Locarno. It wasn't related to royalties as Robbie McNeal wasn't the original choice for the role. After failing to find a match for "Tom Paris," someone suggested just getting the original "Nick Locarno" They liked him, and he was cast.
 
I think if the character is named in the script, even if not in dialog, royalties are still owed.
They didn't end up using him again, but they could have - and royalties i believe are based on the number of times an episode is aired, which is why 90% of extras don't have speaking parts; they just nod and smile or whatnot.
 
I haven't seen "The Mind's Eye" in a while, but: If the character wasn't named in the final episode, can't we retrospectively assume it was Koval? I thought only what made it to the screen was considered canon anyhow. If the name in the script is never spoken in the episode, then what does it matter?

Anyhow, it's not like he showed up in TNG again, it's a completely different group of people on a completely different ship in a completely different part of the galaxy at a completely different time so I'm not really on board with the 'small universe syndrome' argument.

Besides which, I've seen some of the novels go to greater lengths to tie up minor continuity threads into big elaborate overcomplicated knots so I'm cool with it being this one Romulan dude we saw once before in the entire franchise.
 
We can assume whatever we want, but the character was named in the script and there's no indication that the writers of the latter episode intended Koval to be the same character seen in TME.
 
Hell, why don't we just assume that every character in Star Trek played by John Fleck is Silik the Suliban in various disguises on various assignments related to the Temporal Cold War? Is there anything in canon that says they aren't?
 
Seeing an Intrepid-class ship in "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" was the reason that is one of my favorite DS9 episodes. When i first saw this episode, which wasn't that long ago actually (probably about a year or so ago?), i thought "oh cool! A DS9-VOY crossover!" I mean, no VOY characters were actually in that episode of course, but they did use the VOY sets for the USS Bellerophon interiors. But when i do see establishing shots of the Intrepid-class ship in this episode, i'm fascinated by it because it kind of feels like a crossover!

The other thing about it is i like that this episode didn't set it on the USS Voyager but at the same time i keep thinking how nice it would've been to see a couple of VOY characters appear in "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" as Bashir visits the Intrepid-class starship... then "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" would've been a full DS9-VOY crossover.

I had a similar experience watching DS9/VOY when I first started watching Trek. It was around the time of DS9's final season and Voyager's 4th/5th season. I remember seeing "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" and thinking "Oh, cool. Voyager!" and then I realized what was going on. Same thing happened in the Season 7 DS9 episode "Field of Fire". For some reason, I always thought it was Harry Kim who was killed in the first act of the episode, and that they were doing some kind of crossover episode. Took me a while to realize they weren't the same person (and that Voyager was still in the Delta Quadrant)
 
I was hoping to see a more advanced ship compared to Voyager that had been stranded in the Delta Quadrant for 4 years by that time.

Actually, If I remember correctly the USS Bellephron had some of the wall finishes/decals in teal instead of blue as on USS Voyager. I think this represents clear evidence of Starfleet shipbuilding advancing between the two ships being constructed, as it's a much nicer colour.
 
Voyager was state-of-the-art at launch, so Starfleet is unlikely to have recalled her sister ships for a refit just to account for 5 years of minor tech improvements - the only more advanced ships at the time are the Sovereign and the Prometheus. And what did they really have on the Intrepid? Quantum torpedoes (would show no visible change to the Bellerophon even if she did have them), ablative armor (in the case of Prometheus) - likewise and regenerative shields (again, only on Prometheus and again no visual change to the ship even if so equipped).

The rest is minor LCARS stuff - my office is still using Windows 7 despite not being 70,000 light-years from civilisation (though we are in Wales).
 
My work still uses Windows 7, even though we're dangerously close to Redmond.
 
Voyager was state-of-the-art at launch, so Starfleet is unlikely to have recalled her sister ships for a refit just to account for 5 years of minor tech improvements - the only more advanced ships at the time are the Sovereign and the Prometheus.

We don't really know how old either of those two types is in comparison with the Intrepid. For all we care, half the Starfleet is "advanced" and "cutting edge", and those ST:FC ships are brand new designs all. Or then the registry numbers are telling, and the ST:FC ships all nicely predate TNG and date back to the old Cardassian War; the Prometheus has been undergoing tests since that old war as well; and nobody can tell how old USS Sovereign is since her only known sister ship has a nonstandard registry.

And what did they really have on the Intrepid? Quantum torpedoes (would show no visible change to the Bellerophon even if she did have them), ablative armor (in the case of Prometheus) - likewise and regenerative shields (again, only on Prometheus and again no visual change to the ship even if so equipped).

Funnily enough, we have never seen a quantum torpedo launched from a standard tube. The Defiant and the E-E both have tubes dedicated to this weapon type, never seen firing anything else, and then separate tubes for firing regular photon torpedoes or other nondescript stuff. There were no special tubes in evidence when the Lakota packed quantums in DS9 - but she never fired any, so we can't really tell.

Whether regenerative shields are a new thing is unclear, too: the computer just rattles out a series of technical specs, without claiming that these would be special to the Prometheus in any way. It may be like a brochure saying "our tank has composite armor and subcaliber antitank ammunition" when every tank on sale has that. After all, we have never seen a starship shield that wouldn't regenerate!

Ablative armor (in tactically decisive amounts) seems nonstandard, though, as there's dialogue to that effect in "Paradise Lost". But if Starfleet gave none to the Lakota in that refit, and didn't expect the Defiant to have received any, either, then

1) neither the Voyager nor the Bellerephon would necessarily be recipients no matter what, and
2) if they were, it would apparently be a matter of requisitioning the right spray cans and doing the required two hours of spacewalk, after which nobody would be the wiser as to whether the ship has the armor or not.

On a separate note, why would the ship going to Romulus need to be particularly advanced in any front? Starfleet wouldn't want to give up any techno-secrets, now would it? We get the general impression the Intrepid might be fast (Stadi sort of brags on that and Paris appears suitably impressed), which is good for a courier ship. But that's about it for requirements.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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